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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: Kephapaulos on November 21, 2011, 11:43:52 PM

Title: Arrangement of Chants
Post by: Kephapaulos on November 21, 2011, 11:43:52 PM
I am wondering why I hear these differences in chant recordings I have heard:

1) Sometimes I have heard the Introit sung without the Gloria Patri, or with it before the Introit verse is sung a third time.

2) Other times, I have listened to the Alleluia just sung with one Alleluia at the beginning instead of two.

3) I have heard the Communio alternating with Psalm verses before. And I think maybe the Gradual at least once too.

What accounts for these various ways of singing chants at Mass?

I thought they were supposed to be sung normally like each way respectively:

1) The Introit with Psalm, Gloria Patri, and repetition.

2) The Alleluia sung twice with verse and sung again once.

3) The Gradual and Communio each sung once.
Title: Arrangement of Chants
Post by: Pyrrhos on November 22, 2011, 01:03:12 AM
Quote from: Kephapaulos
What accounts for these various ways of singing chants at Mass?


Church music was always subject to much abuses and a lack of education. This is especially the case in our poor times...
Title: Arrangement of Chants
Post by: Sigismund on November 22, 2011, 10:00:53 PM
I also would not be too quick to assume that recordings, especially commercial ones, actually reflect real  liturgical practice.
Title: Arrangement of Chants
Post by: Kephapaulos on November 22, 2011, 10:10:27 PM
Well, I do not mean commercial recordings. I mean I have heard a 1950s recording of the monks of Solesmes, for example, sing the Introit without the Gloria Patri.
Title: Arrangement of Chants
Post by: Pyrrhos on November 23, 2011, 12:39:59 AM
Quote from: Kephapaulos
Well, I do not mean commercial recordings. I mean I have heard a 1950s recording of the monks of Solesmes, for example, sing the Introit without the Gloria Patri.


Maybe during Passiontide?

Sorry, I cannot think of any explanation. Of course, Solesmes did many "avant-garde" liturgical things, but I can hardly imagine they would cut out the Gloria Patri.