Author Topic: Arrangement of Chants  (Read 695 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Kephapaulos

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1565
  • Reputation: +370/-5
  • Gender: Male
Arrangement of Chants
« on: November 21, 2011, 11:43:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I am wondering why I hear these differences in chant recordings I have heard:

    1) Sometimes I have heard the Introit sung without the Gloria Patri, or with it before the Introit verse is sung a third time.

    2) Other times, I have listened to the Alleluia just sung with one Alleluia at the beginning instead of two.

    3) I have heard the Communio alternating with Psalm verses before. And I think maybe the Gradual at least once too.

    What accounts for these various ways of singing chants at Mass?

    I thought they were supposed to be sung normally like each way respectively:

    1) The Introit with Psalm, Gloria Patri, and repetition.

    2) The Alleluia sung twice with verse and sung again once.

    3) The Gradual and Communio each sung once.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

    Offline Pyrrhos

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 445
    • Reputation: +341/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Arrangement of Chants
    « Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 01:03:12 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Kephapaulos
    What accounts for these various ways of singing chants at Mass?


    Church music was always subject to much abuses and a lack of education. This is especially the case in our poor times...
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus


    Offline Sigismund

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5366
    • Reputation: +3104/-8
    • Gender: Male
    Arrangement of Chants
    « Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 10:00:53 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I also would not be too quick to assume that recordings, especially commercial ones, actually reflect real  liturgical practice.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

    Offline Kephapaulos

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1565
    • Reputation: +370/-5
    • Gender: Male
    Arrangement of Chants
    « Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 10:10:27 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Well, I do not mean commercial recordings. I mean I have heard a 1950s recording of the monks of Solesmes, for example, sing the Introit without the Gloria Patri.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

    Offline Pyrrhos

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 445
    • Reputation: +341/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Arrangement of Chants
    « Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 12:39:59 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Kephapaulos
    Well, I do not mean commercial recordings. I mean I have heard a 1950s recording of the monks of Solesmes, for example, sing the Introit without the Gloria Patri.


    Maybe during Passiontide?

    Sorry, I cannot think of any explanation. Of course, Solesmes did many "avant-garde" liturgical things, but I can hardly imagine they would cut out the Gloria Patri.  
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus


     

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16