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Author Topic: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?  (Read 27531 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2021, 03:33:10 PM »
You reject the pre-Vatican II Magisterium on EENS and NFP. 

Hardly, but I'm not going to branch off on either of those subjects here.  Run along, take your meds, and go watch some butterflies or something.  Theology is not your strength.

Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #86 on: May 04, 2021, 03:36:35 PM »
If you think that, then you are as much of an idiot as he is.  One need go no farther than to read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the subject.  Your perception of that debate is shaped only by your confirmation bias.  Drew failed to cite a single theologian to back up his theory ... which was made up out of whole cloth as a justification for R&R.

It is the Magisterium ... and only the Magisterium ... which is the sole interpreter of Tradition, not you, and not Stubborn.

Go read the CE on baptism(desire) or the necessity of baptism.

"One need go no farther than to read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the subject."

You're a blast.  :laugh2:


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #87 on: May 04, 2021, 03:37:37 PM »
Yes, the position of doubt is strange to me. Lad says he doubts between A and B yet he constantly says B is not Catholic

That's due to your inability to grasp distinctions.  You evidently failed to recognized when I enumerated multiple permutations, including C, D, E, etc.

Evidently I have to say it again.  What cannot be doubted is that the Magisterium cannot fail catastrophically as R&R asserts.  You can argue that the Magisterium has not failed (as conservative Novus Ordites do or as XavierSem does).  You can argue that it's not the Magisterium (as sedevacantists and even sedeimpoundists do).  But you cannot argue a failure of the Magisterium.  Even Archbishop Lefebvre was quite clear on this.  That is the one constraint to which I assert that it's not Catholic.  Within those limits, go to town in terms of the permutations on it.

Modern R&R, which has totally gone off the rails from the position of +Lefebvre, has totally lost its way.  Do I need to quote +Lefebvre on this subject again?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #88 on: May 04, 2021, 03:41:04 PM »
Go read the CE on baptism(desire) or the necessity of baptism.

"One need go no farther than to read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the subject."

You're a blast.  :laugh2:

Sure, that would not have been sufficient had Drew bothered to produce a single theological source on the subject to challenge the CE.  He had absolutely nothing but his wishful thinking.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #89 on: May 04, 2021, 04:15:40 PM »
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The only thing? How about devotion to the Blessed Mother and the saints? How about the sacraments and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass? How about the Holy Rosary? I'm sure you get the picture.
:facepalm:  Who told Catholics that all the above was catholic?   ...The Magisterium...which started with the Apostles and the Church Fathers, who handed down Tradition and who codified Scripture.