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Author Topic: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?  (Read 27391 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2021, 03:46:21 PM »
Lad can correct me, but after reading hundreds of his posts (as you have done too), I interpret his theory as saying that:
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1) a Traditional catholic, by definition, does have some doubt/confusion about the V2 popes, because they attend a non-rome sanctioned mass.
2) A traditional catholic, by definition, receives sacraments from "schismatic" (new-rome's perspective) priests.
3) A traditional catholic implicitly rejects V2 and new-rome's authority (in favor of Quo Primum's authority) by attendance at non-rome sanctioned Trad masses, just as anyone who attends an indult implicitly accepts V2 and the new mass.
4) Xavier is an example of Ladislaus' hypocritical schismatic fake-trad, because he fully believes that the V2 popes are popes, and yet he attends Trad masses.  He ignores canon law and goes wherever he wants.
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All Trads are implicit V2 pope doubters.  Sedes are just explicit about the doubt and take it to the extreme.  ...Even most conservative novus ordo-ites are papal doubters.  It's a sign of the times - confusion.
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Yes, that's pretty close.  Xavier actually takes it a step further.  Not only does he assert that the legitimacy of the V2 papal claimants is dogmatic fact, but he also does not believe that the New Mass is substantially harmful (just less perfect) nor that there is any substantial error in Vatican II.  HOW on earth does that justify being in anything other than full submission to what he believes to be the Catholic hierarchy?

When I first questioned him about that, his response was two-fold ...

1) look at the fruits of the SSPX

AND

2) some devil/demon said "Econe was on the right path" during an Exorcism in the 1970s.

Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2021, 03:47:56 PM »
For the 18th time, Johnson, +Lefebvre did hold a positive doubt ... as has been clearly docuмented.  It is YOU who are schismatic, not +Lefebvre ... not to mention being heretical vis-a-vis the indefectibility of the Church.  You just keep repeating this assertion hoping that if you say it enough it'll become true.
Au contraire:
You have not even come close to showing Lefebvre evince go a positive doubt.  
And of course, I continue to place you in an inextricable trap every time I quote Lefebvre acknowledging that we acknowledge the conciliar popes, but resist their harmful teachings (a position which you never cease to declare schismatic....until you are shown it is Lefebvre saying it).


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2021, 03:51:18 PM »

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Yes, that's pretty close.  Xavier actually takes it a step further.
Yes, I think Xavier just argues for attention.  We could have a 100+ page thread dissecting the errors of his mindset, of which many people are similar.  It all boils down to relativism, subjectivism and the rejection of objective truth.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2021, 03:52:19 PM »

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every time I quote Lefebvre acknowledging that we acknowledge the conciliar popes, but resist their harmful teachings

1.  Spiritual Authority - All Trads implicitly doubt the spiritual authority claimed by V2 popes to do and say the unorthodox.

Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2021, 03:56:24 PM »
Lad can correct me, but after reading hundreds of his posts (as you have done too), I interpret his theory as saying that:
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1) a Traditional catholic, by definition, does have some doubt/confusion about the V2 popes, because they attend a non-rome sanctioned mass.
2) A traditional catholic, by definition, receives sacraments from "schismatic" (new-rome's perspective) priests.
3) A traditional catholic implicitly rejects V2 and new-rome's authority (in favor of Quo Primum's authority) by attendance at non-rome sanctioned Trad masses, just as anyone who attends an indult implicitly accepts V2 and the new mass.
4) Xavier is an example of Ladislaus' hypocritical schismatic fake-trad, because he fully believes that the V2 popes are popes, and yet he attends Trad masses.  He ignores canon law and goes wherever he wants.
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All Trads are implicit V2 pope doubters.  Sedes are just explicit about the doubt and take it to the extreme.  ...Even most conservative novus ordo-ites are papal doubters.  It's a sign of the times - confusion.
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That's an over-simplification.  
1) You are projecting.  I have no doubts regarding the legitimacy of the conciliar popes;
2) Hyperbole: Lefebvre explained that when he called conciliar Rome schismatic, he didn’t mean it in a strictly theological/canonical way, but only insofar as their teachings often represent a break from the past.  He specifically-in the same article- requested people like you stop twisting his thoughts;
3) Nonsense: The essence of Lefebvre’s R&R (quoted by Stubborn, which traps Loudestmouth into silence to this very moment), is that we respect their authority, but reject their harmful teachings.  Loudestmouth says that’s heretical...until he is shown Lefebvre saying it.
PS: Your gratuitous conclusion about all trads being sede doubters was refuted at #1