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Author Topic: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?  (Read 28739 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2021, 08:03:24 AM »
Typical weak sede sauce with chips.
He makes 2 statements in 25 years, never reaffirms them, expels active sedes, institutes oaths against them, but he was allegedly indifferent on the matter.
Notice how Lad equates this with “openly calling into question their legitimacy!”
In fact, he does just the opposite when he decides the Society will officially accept the popes and read their names in the Mass, while expelling those who “openly call into question their legitimacy.”

Notice Johnson's compelling logical argument:  "weak sede sauce with chips".

You embarrass yourself ... which is your custom when you're painted into a logical corner.  You come out swinging with the ad hominems.

There are about a dozen statements above.  Was +Lefebvre a heretic at the time he made those statements?  Were those statements heretical?

Objective analysis of +Lefebvre is this.

1976-1978 ... leaned sedevacantist (after suspension by Montini)
1979-1984/5 ... anti-sedevacantist (hopeful after the ɛƖɛctıon of Wojtyla ... due to Montini being gone and embittered by The Nine)
1984/5-1991 ... leaned sedevacantist (beginning with Assisi and through the "excommunication")

But dishonest types like Johnson pretend that only the 1979-1984/5 +Lefebvre actually existed.

Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2021, 08:09:09 AM »
Sededoubtism with a deference to resolution by the Church was Archbishop Lefebvre's true position ... a position not unlike that of Father Chazal.

ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE WAS NOT A DOGMTIC SEDEPLENIST !!!
Lol...he opens the door a sliver, more or less simply acknowledging that, in the same way that dogmatic facts are not infallible, but “only” theologically certain, Lefebvre acknowledges that the legitimacy of a pope may also be “only” theologically certain.
Sedes like Loudestmouth want to blow that up into “Lefebvre said it was an open and disputed question!”
Please.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2021, 08:13:17 AM »
dogmatic facts are not infallible

So let me distill your first substantive point from the ad hominem bluster.

So your assertion is that dogmatic facts are not infallible.

That's absurd.  They are called dogmatic facts precisely because they are DOGMATIC, certain with the certainty of faith.  These are called "facts" to distinguish them from propositions that are of a theological nature, whereas dogmatic facts are of a historical nature.  So you wrote an entire article on dogmatic facts while having no earthly idea about what a dogmatic fact actually is.

I'll dig up the quotes for you from a Cardinal writing about dogmatic facts during the reign of Pope Pius XII who clearly states that if someone denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius XII, he would be a heretic.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2021, 08:17:05 AM »
From your own citations:

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It is evident then, that the Church must be infallible in judging of such facts, and since the Church is infallible in believing as well as in teaching, it follows that the practically unanimous consent of the bishops and faithful in accepting a council as ecuмenical, or a Roman Pontiff as legitimately elected, gives absolute and infallible certainty of the fact.

Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2021, 08:19:06 AM »
Notice Johnson's compelling logical argument:  "weak sede sauce with chips".

You embarrass yourself ... which is your custom when you're painted into a logical corner.  You come out swinging with the ad hominems.

There are about a dozen statements above.  Was +Lefebvre a heretic at the time he made those statements?  Were those statements heretical?

Objective analysis of +Lefebvre is this.

1976-1978 ... leaned sedevacantist (after suspension by Montini)
1979-1984/5 ... anti-sedevacantist (hopeful after the ɛƖɛctıon of Wojtyla ... due to Montini being gone and embittered by The Nine)
1984/5-1991 ... leaned sedevacantist (beginning with Assisi and through the "excommunication")

But dishonest types like Johnson pretend that only the 1979-1984/5 +Lefebvre actually existed.
I think you take viagra of the mouth, which never allows your mouth to close.  Your only purpose here seems to be to promote your own asinine homemade theories, and insist upon them with the double stamina only a sede Feeneyite can muster, while bombastically insulting and condemning all who call your bluffs.
When anyone besides Lefebvre assumes the R&R position, they are heretics.
Lad just doesn’t have the balls to come out and call Lefebvre one.
“What would Matthew think?”