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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2021, 11:46:19 AM »
Logic 101, Lad:
Your latest flail adds another reason why your illogic must again indict Lefebvre:
He denies that which all approved theologians declare:
A universally accepted pope is a dogmatic fact.
Only sedes believe otherwise.

Sean, unfortunately you seem to have forgotten the important word “peaceful”. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to an accident, but it is plainly obvious that Bergoglio has had anything but a peaceful “reign”. Also, who are those that have “accepted” him as pope? The guy on the 6:00 news, Bıdɛn, or Cuomo? You need to make and prove the case that non-Catholics can be included in the criteria for universal acceptance. Are the heretics Bıdɛn and Cuomo Catholics in good standing in your book?

There are a significant number of REAL Catholics who don’t accept him as a true pope, so the percentage is not favorable to your case. If you include all those who are Catholic “in name only”, then half of your case is somewhat satisfied (the universal part), but the peaceful part will never be satisfied unless and until Mr. Bergoglio converts back to the Faith he was baptized in.

Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2021, 12:07:18 PM »
Sean, unfortunately you seem to have forgotten the important word “peaceful”. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to an accident, but it is plainly obvious that Bergoglio has had anything but a peaceful “reign”. Also, who are those that have “accepted” him as pope? The guy on the 6:00 news, Bıdɛn, or Cuomo? You need to make and prove the case that non-Catholics can be included in the criteria for universal acceptance. Are the heretics Bıdɛn and Cuomo Catholics in good standing in your book?

There are a significant number of REAL Catholics who don’t accept him as a true pope, so the percentage is not favorable to your case. If you include all those who are Catholic “in name only”, then half of your case is somewhat satisfied (the universal part), but the peaceful part will never be satisfied unless and until Mr. Bergoglio converts back to the Faith he was baptized in.

QVD-

Nope.

There are today 5,600 bishops exercising jurisdiction in the Church.

Not a single one of them rejects the legitimacy of Francis’s pontificate.

That’s pretty damn peaceful AND universal.

That a few schismatic sede bishops (?) reject that peaceful and universal assent is no more relevant that Lutheran or Old Catholic bishops doing so.

Peaceful means they accept his legitimacy.

Universal means a moral unanimity (and in this case, even mathematical unanimity).

It seems that to get out of the trap, you would seek to redefine “peaceful,” and make it analogous to “no crisis.”  But in that case,  you would also have to depose all the popes during the Arian and Protestant crises.

This should indicate to you that you have misunderstood (that’s me being charitable😀) the term.


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2021, 12:09:25 PM »
A doubt is not really a "position", which is probably why +ABL didn't feel the need to advertise it.
Doubt is the dogmatic position of Lad, who says it was also +ABL's, or almost +ABL's .


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No, totally disagree.  +ABL was concentrating on creating priests, spreading the Faith, and informing catholics of the dangers of V2.  Exactly what EVERY traditional catholic and cleric should be doing.
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To insert the controversy of the papacy is not only worthless, but it's also a distraction.  I firmly believe that devil started this controversy, this obsession with the papacy, to divide Tradition and to distract people from living the faith and spreading it.  And boy, did he succeed!
You are right, sedeism is all about dividing the faithful and always has been, that is the only reason for it as it serves absolutely no other purpose. And I agree that +ABL was "concentrating on creating priests, spreading the Faith, and informing catholics of the dangers of V2.  Exactly what EVERY traditional catholic and cleric should be doing".

Aside from the few 'off the cuff' remarks Lad keeps quoting as if they reflect the mind of +ABL, the one thing we are certain that +ABL did not do, was opine or decide or promote some type of doubt as regards the popes' status, but if he ever would have done such a thing, we would all know it because he would have made sure that his opinion was well known to all - especially all those within the society he founded, as it is, no one is left to wonder - he believed the pope was the pope.      




Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2021, 12:15:04 PM »
I stay away from una cuм masses and am sede.  I feel like anyone saying they are in union with Francis has issues.  Especially sspx where Francis exactly says he is not in union with them.

Re: Are there any anti una cuм people on cathinfo?
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2021, 12:20:31 PM »
I stay away from una cuм masses and am sede.  I feel like anyone saying they are in union with Francis has issues.  Especially sspx where Francis exactly says he is not in union with them.

Just like in the army, Durango:

You respect the rank, not the man.

Making it personal is the first (and most fatal) mistake.