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Offline Maria Regina

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  • Does the SSPX, the Resistance, or CMRI have consecrated virgins, those who do not live in convents or monasteries?


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    More women looking to become 'consecrated virgins', Vatican says

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    The Holy See has issued new guidance on consecrated virginity in response to growing interest across the world in the little-known spiritual “vocation”.

    Consecrated virgins are unmarried women who pledge to remain celibate for their entire lives, eschewing romantic or sexual relationships to devote themselves exclusively to being mystical “brides of Christ”.
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    But in the 1960s the Vatican revived the ancient Order of Virgins, which reintroduced the concept of women being betrothed to God while living alone or with families rather than in religious communities.  ...

    Read the entire article at https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/consecrated-virgins-women-vatican-catholic-church-celibacy-god-jesus-a8435186.html
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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #1 on: July 07, 2018, 04:45:01 PM »
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  • Consecrated virgins have been a part of our Catholic heritage since the beginning, but not, as far as I know, as an institution as with the monasteries that were established for women.

    Of course the first consecrated virgin was Our Blessed Mother. Quite a number of the early martyrs were consecrated virgins, and their martyrdom was sometimes a consequence of their consecration, and so refusal to marry any earthly man. 

    Below The Consecration of St Genevieve, a 5th century shepherdess who is the patron saint of Paris.



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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #2 on: July 08, 2018, 01:00:10 PM »
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  • To answer your question directly, I am not aware of any traditional communities who consecrate virgins not part of a religious community of some sort.

    Consecrated virgins were indeed, as Nadir points out, part of Catholic heritage from the beginning of the Church.  However, over time, such women began to live in communities which is the origin of the orders and congregations of nuns and sisters.  As the article indicates, the Conciliar sect re-introduced the practice of consecrating virgins who do live in any sort of community, probably in defference to the Conciliar penchant for "antiquity".

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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #3 on: July 09, 2018, 12:01:37 AM »
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  • Kateri Tekakwitha did not live in a religious community. She lived long before Vatican II and she was a consecrated virgin. she was also a saint.

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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #4 on: July 09, 2018, 06:49:45 AM »
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  • As far as I know it is an ancient and wonderful vocation for a woman who is not called to marriage. 


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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #5 on: July 09, 2018, 08:03:04 AM »
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  • It could also be an option for those who would like to enter religious life but for whom there are impediments.  

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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #6 on: July 09, 2018, 09:15:00 AM »
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  • It could also be an option for those who would like to enter religious life but for whom there are impediments.  
    Or where there are no congregations for them to enter...

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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #7 on: July 09, 2018, 01:47:58 PM »
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  • As far as I know it is an ancient and wonderful vocation for a woman who is not called to marriage.
    I have misgivings, in spite of this.  The post-conciliar Church is quite capable of giving the name of an "ancient and wonderful vocation" to practices that are significantly different.  This actually appears to be a favourite technique for creating confusion and introducing problematic changes.  The whole time they claim it is merely the restoration of an earlier practice.

    For example, one of the arguments given for female deacons is that there are records of deaconesses in the early Church.  These women, however, were never a female counterpart for deacons. The had a specific limited role doing things like assisting with the baptism of female converts (for reasons of modesty).  The current push for deaconesses is not meant to restore this but to erode the traditional teaching against ordaining women.

    If I knew someone interested in being a consecrated virgin, I would advise her to base her understanding on the ancient practice, not on what is being done currently.  I would also tell her to put herself under the spiritual direction of a trustworthy traditional priest.  I don't think anyone should even attempt to do this without such spiritual direction.
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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #8 on: July 09, 2018, 02:10:12 PM »
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  • I have misgivings, in spite of this.  The post-conciliar Church is quite capable of giving the name of an "ancient and wonderful vocation" to practices that are significantly different.  This actually appears to be a favourite technique for creating confusion and introducing problematic changes.  The whole time they claim it is merely the restoration of an earlier practice.

    For example, one of the arguments given for female deacons is that there are records of deaconesses in the early Church.  These women, however, were never a female counterpart for deacons. The had a specific limited role doing things like assisting with the baptism of female converts (for reasons of modesty).  The current push for deaconesses is not meant to restore this but to erode the traditional teaching against ordaining women.

    If I knew someone interested in being a consecrated virgin, I would advise her to base her understanding on the ancient practice, not on what is being done currently.  I would also tell her to put herself under the spiritual direction of a trustworthy traditional priest.  I don't think anyone should even attempt to do this without such spiritual direction.
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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #9 on: July 09, 2018, 05:30:18 PM »
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  • The question of deacons is altogether another issue from consecrated virginity and so is not relevant to this thread; because from the start deacons were men and they are not necessarily virgins; and their role was not a liturgical or preaching role but one of service to the poor. However they did preach the Gospel, as evidenced in Acts 21 where Philip interpreted the Scripture to the Ethiopian. Incidentally he had four virgin daughters "who did prophesy".


    [1] And in those days, the number of the disciples increasing, there arose a murmuring of the Greeks against the Hebrews, for that their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. [2] Then the twelve calling together the multitude of the disciples, said: It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. [3] Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #10 on: July 09, 2018, 05:40:40 PM »
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  • The question of deacons is altogether another issue from consecrated virginity and so is not relevant to this thread; 
    I did not mean to imply that the question of deacons had any direct bearing on consecrated virginity.  I only gave it as an example of the way that the post-conciliar Church equivocates with terminology.  
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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 02:41:45 AM »
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  • I think a good starting point might be to study the document Ecclesiae Sponsae Imago.

    http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/07/04/180704d.html

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    Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
    « Reply #12 on: July 10, 2018, 03:40:02 PM »
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  • I think a good starting point might be to study the document Ecclesiae Sponsae Imago.

    http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/07/04/180704d.html
    Thank you for this document Poche. From this document:
     . . .  two forms of celebration were composed and approved. The first is intended for women living in saeculo (in the world), that is, in their ordinary circumstances of life, who are admitted to consecration by the diocesan Bishop. The second form is for nuns living in communities in which the rite is used, who are already perpetually professed or who make perpetual profession in the same celebration in which they receive the consecration virginum.

    So the two forms of consecrated virginity are
    1.  Nuns.
    2.  A woman living in the world consecrated by the diocesan Bishop.
    This clarifies the problem of Atila Guimaraes acting as if he is the diocesan Bishop by encouraging a young woman to abandon her plans of becoming a nun in order to be a "consecrated virgin" under the auspices of Mr. G's Tradition in Action. Under the "guidance" of Mr. G, she wrote a three-part articles publicly proclaiming her "consecrated virginity."
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/c041rpSingle_1.html
    Insight in Mr. Guimaraes' possible motivation for taking the role rightfully belonging to the Bishop and his thoughts on his disgust with the marital act:
    In the human body the organs that are the most shameful are those that are used to discharge the filth produced by the body; they are the penis, the vagina and the anus. The last is more shameful than the first two because it discharges solid detritus, while the others discharge liquid detritus, but these organs also are disgusting and shameful. Now then, the male and female sexual functions are put into practice by these shameful organs. Therefore, it is undeniable that they share something of the same disgusting character of their other function.
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/c048-Single_8.html

    Taking that to heart might make some people want to find refuge in perpetual virginity.

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