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Offline poche

Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2018, 08:03:04 AM »
It could also be an option for those who would like to enter religious life but for whom there are impediments.  
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Offline TxTrad

Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2018, 09:15:00 AM »
Quote from: poche on July 09, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
It could also be an option for those who would like to enter religious life but for whom there are impediments.  
Or where there are no congregations for them to enter...
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2018, 01:47:58 PM »
Quote from: SusanneT on July 09, 2018, 06:49:45 AM
As far as I know it is an ancient and wonderful vocation for a woman who is not called to marriage.
I have misgivings, in spite of this.  The post-conciliar Church is quite capable of giving the name of an "ancient and wonderful vocation" to practices that are significantly different.  This actually appears to be a favourite technique for creating confusion and introducing problematic changes.  The whole time they claim it is merely the restoration of an earlier practice.

For example, one of the arguments given for female deacons is that there are records of deaconesses in the early Church.  These women, however, were never a female counterpart for deacons. The had a specific limited role doing things like assisting with the baptism of female converts (for reasons of modesty).  The current push for deaconesses is not meant to restore this but to erode the traditional teaching against ordaining women.

If I knew someone interested in being a consecrated virgin, I would advise her to base her understanding on the ancient practice, not on what is being done currently.  I would also tell her to put herself under the spiritual direction of a trustworthy traditional priest.  I don't think anyone should even attempt to do this without such spiritual direction.
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Offline Cera

Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2018, 02:10:12 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on July 09, 2018, 01:47:58 PM
I have misgivings, in spite of this.  The post-conciliar Church is quite capable of giving the name of an "ancient and wonderful vocation" to practices that are significantly different.  This actually appears to be a favourite technique for creating confusion and introducing problematic changes.  The whole time they claim it is merely the restoration of an earlier practice.

For example, one of the arguments given for female deacons is that there are records of deaconesses in the early Church.  These women, however, were never a female counterpart for deacons. The had a specific limited role doing things like assisting with the baptism of female converts (for reasons of modesty).  The current push for deaconesses is not meant to restore this but to erode the traditional teaching against ordaining women.

If I knew someone interested in being a consecrated virgin, I would advise her to base her understanding on the ancient practice, not on what is being done currently.  I would also tell her to put herself under the spiritual direction of a trustworthy traditional priest.  I don't think anyone should even attempt to do this without such spiritual direction.
:applause:
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Offline Nadir

Re: Are Consecrated Virgins only a Vatican II Church phenomenon?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2018, 05:30:18 PM »
The question of deacons is altogether another issue from consecrated virginity and so is not relevant to this thread; because from the start deacons were men and they are not necessarily virgins; and their role was not a liturgical or preaching role but one of service to the poor. However they did preach the Gospel, as evidenced in Acts 21 where Philip interpreted the Scripture to the Ethiopian. Incidentally he had four virgin daughters "who did prophesy".


[1] And in those days, the number of the disciples increasing, there arose a murmuring of the Greeks against the Hebrews, for that their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. [2] Then the twelve calling together the multitude of the disciples, said: It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. [3] Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
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