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Re: Approaching Doubtful Sacraments and Canon Law and/or Catholic Moral Theology
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2019, 11:05:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 12, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
    If the top theologians in rome say the new mass can be positively doubtful, then what other facts are there to include?  I'll be happy to read, if you provide.
    Did not the top theologians like Cardinal Ottaviani and Cardinal Bacci who co-wrote the Ottaviani-Bacci intervention stay back in Rome? Though we face a crisis in the Church today, does the treatise of these top theologians give the laity permission to subjectively make decisions on ecclesiastical matters?
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    Re: Approaching Doubtful Sacraments and Canon Law and/or Catholic Moral Theology
    « Reply #46 on: April 23, 2019, 11:08:05 PM »
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    • What decisions are being made, other than following canon law, which says that you may not attend doubtful masses and sacraments?  
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    Re: Approaching Doubtful Sacraments and Canon Law and/or Catholic Moral Theology
    « Reply #47 on: April 23, 2019, 11:12:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 12, 2019, 08:08:17 PM
    My speech is imperfect.  Mea culpa.  I am just the messenger.  Go read the Ottaviani report (see below link), which was produced by the top theologians in rome in the 60s.  You can also add a positive doubt to the new mass which did not exist in the 60s - the doubt over the new ordination rites and the episcopal consecrations.  However, even if a new mass was said with no doubts, even if we could say with 100% certainty that it is valid, this does not mean one can attend.  The validity of the mass is separate from its licitness and its morality.  The new mass is illegal and immoral, therefore sinful.

    It is illegal because it violates Quo Primum, which Pope Benedict said is still a valid law and this law does not allow any other missal to be used, except the 62 missal, under pain of sin to the pope.

    It is immoral because of many, many reasons - most notably because its theology is anti-Trent and protestantized, as +Ottaviani points out.  It is also immoral due to communion in the hand, irreverent dress of the laity and the atmosphere in general, which is an occasion of sin to one's Faith.

    http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/ottaviani.htm
    Popes that came after Pope St. Pius V changed the Roman missal. With the Church being in crisis today, wouldn't it be best to go back to the Pope Pius V missal? It will remove all sources of confusion and conflict.  
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