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Offline Daegus

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« on: June 19, 2011, 08:34:29 PM »
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  • As I come of age, more and more do I think about my vocation.. Or what God is calling me to do... As of yet, I don't believe that I am spiritually developed enough to properly discern my vocation, but I have a general idea (or at least, I think I do) of what God is calling me to do.

    The only issue is that by virtue of the fact that I was born a bastard child, I would normally (if not for VII) be barred from the priesthood and many religious orders. Or in other words, I have a canonical impediment, by the fault of my mother and father that would prevent me from becoming a priest. Originally I had never really wanted to become a priest and actually distressed over the idea. Now that I realize I can't do that (or even be a part of a religious order) is eating away at my conscience. Everytime I read the words "illegitimate" or "bastard", it makes me feel useless. It makes me feel like I'm damned. Furthermore, it makes me want to hate my mother and father.. It is after all, entirely their fault and not mine that I have this canonical impediment. (Oh and no, they would never marry each other, so that is out of the question)

    But of course there are other things like marriage.. Which I dread. As much as I like to think about marriage in general, I can't stand the thought of having to deal with children on a regular basis. In fact, even the idea of having a wife, as I find most women to be quite boring, is beyond the stretch of my horizon. To be quite honest, I don't find myself to be having any respect for most people as I usually get the impression that they don't respect me.

    I feel as though now I know what it feels like for a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who isn't a child rapist that wants to become a priest. They have a canonical impediment, through no fault of their own, that if they otherwise did not have they may be allowed into the priesthood.

    In a way.. I guess you can say that I'm hoping God isn't calling me to the married life. How many married saints do you know in comparison to those who are single or priests? How could I devote my life to God when I would have annoying children and an annoying wife to look after?

    I really want to be a saint and be an example for the future faithful.. But it doesn't sound like something I would be able to do if married. Hopefully that is not God's vocation for me and he's calling me to be an erudite hermit (consecrated virginity) that lives off of coconut water or something.

    What do you guys think?
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


    Offline Vladimir

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    « Reply #1 on: June 19, 2011, 08:57:35 PM »
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  • Vocation is between Heaven, you, and a good spiritual director. Never discuss a possible personal religious or priestly vocation to anyone but one of the above. Especially not on a public (and internet at that) forum.

    Living in whatever your true vocation is makes attaining the Heavenly kingdom easier, but it doesn't assure it. Not living in your vocation doesn't guarantee your damnation, but it is more difficult to attain salvation when living in a station of life other than the one that Heaven has willed for you.

    There is no "vocations" crisis. The crisis is of vocations not being responded to. No one is going to save the Church by pressuring everyone to become religious or priests. Everyone just needs to do their own job, whatever Heaven wills it to be.





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    « Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 09:01:25 PM »
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  • Homes,

    I have read four or five, ten at the most, of your posts...

    I have been impressed...You are WAY, WAY beyond where I was at your age (or this morning)...You are FAR from "useless" and the impediment in your case may be EASILY overcome.  WORRY NOT, my young friend.

    For the present, cultivate an intense interior life -- that is the key for ALL of us.  If you need advice on how to do that, or need to know about writers or books that may help, etc., PM me (I promise to NOT seduce you -- LOL! -- sorry, could not resist after stevie wonder's endless crap about my 'seduction' via PM).

    FWIW, I am duly impressed by your intelligence and progress, Daegus.  Maybe you will accomplish what we older, useless folks only dreamed of ;)

    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2011, 09:10:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    Vocation is between Heaven, you, and a good spiritual director. Never discuss a possible personal religious or priestly vocation to anyone but one of the above. Especially not on a public (and internet at that) forum.

    Living in whatever your true vocation is makes attaining the Heavenly kingdom easier, but it doesn't assure it. Not living in your vocation doesn't guarantee your damnation, but it is more difficult to attain salvation when living in a station of life other than the one that Heaven has willed for you.

    There is no "vocations" crisis. The crisis is of vocations not being responded to. No one is going to save the Church by pressuring everyone to become religious or priests. Everyone just needs to do their own job, whatever Heaven wills it to be.



    Don't get me wrong, I know that what my vocation is is more of a private matter, but that isn't exactly the point I was making in creating this topic. I was really just asking for opinions on my current situation from those who may (or may not) be more experienced than I am, rather than discussing possible vocations for me. I still have quite a long ways to go before I find out what it is God wants me to do.

    If God has chosen for me a path that I will find myself hating to go down, I will do so (even if reluctantly) out of obedience to Him. I have spent most of my life ignoring Him and pushing Him off to the side, but not anymore.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2011, 09:12:13 PM »
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    To be quite honest, I don't find myself to be having any respect for most people as I usually get the impression that they don't respect me.


    FWIW, this must be dealt with.  If you are to assist others in the incomprehensibly-dangerous-and-difficult process of making it home to heaven, you must...MUST...at the VERY LEAST...respect them.

    Their respect, or lack thereof, for you is completely irrelevant.

    Don't worry, as such natural defects are easily overcome by grace, but do you hear what I am saying?

    You must love the normal, even the repulsive man -- even when it HURTS and is impossible to nature.  If men of God do not do such, WHO WILL???

    Pray on it all, my young friend.  I shall pray for you, for whatever that is or is NOT worth :)

    Pray...and trust in God...He knows and arranges all for your benefit...be at peace :)
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2011, 09:13:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Daegus
    I really want to be a saint and be an example for the future faithful..


    Vocation or not is secondary to this point. If you really want to be a saint you need to start seeing Christ in all those around you. There are several points in your post that betray condescension towards others. This will need to be addressed whether you are to be married, a priest or hermit. I say this with all sincerity as a boring, annoying wife who knows that the cultivation of virtue and the way to heaven are the same no matter what path we take. :)  

    Edit GV beat me to it. Of course!

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    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2011, 09:17:13 PM »
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  • First of all, I encourage you not to hate your mother and father. I have a strained relationship with my dad (who happens to be a Protestant) due to him not respecting my Traditional Catholic religion. He won't even go to Mass with me and my mother. And yet, I do not hate him. I still love him and want him to go to Heaven, thus why I will never stop trying to convert him.

    Regarding your vocation, I'm also struggling a bit with my vocation. I'm having a hard time discerning if God wants me to become a priest or get married. On one hand, becoming a priest is a very special thing. To be able to offer the Traditional Latin Mass is indeed a huge grace and blessing from God. And plus I do not have any Traditional Catholic women where I live. On the other hand, I have been thinking alot lately of how great it would be to find a Traditional Catholic woman. Other than my mother, I've yet to meet anyone in person who understands my stance on religion, politics, etc. The Catholics where I live don't like me because I'm too Traditional, and the Prots don't like me because I'm Catholic period. And yet, I have a strong desire to marry a Trad woman and start a Traditional Catholic family, which stems from the fact that I want to be a good father and husband and not repeat the mistakes my Prot father made. I cannot move to a place where there is a TLM because my family buisiness is here and I must work for my family to make some good money. I wouldn't be interested in working elsewhere.

    But one thing I will say is that when God calls you to the religious life, you'll know it. And don't think you have to be a St. Augustine or St. Padre Pio to please God and get to Heaven. Being a father isn't an easy vocation either. But if performed in a way that is pleasing to God, you will be rewarded for it. I too sometimes worried if marriage wouldn't make me close enough to God, until I heard a sermon just recently about the role of a father. God does will some men NOT to become priests. Continue to pray for God's Will and see what His Will is. He will answer your prayers eventually.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 19, 2011, 09:18:54 PM »
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     Edit GV beat me to it. Of course!


    There is no "beating" to it in this affair, my lady.  Your wise words are both appreciated and more valuable than mine.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #8 on: June 19, 2011, 09:19:44 PM »
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  • Thank you both GV and wallflower. Your points are duly noted.

    There are times where I forget that I am just as wicked as the people who seem to be even more wicked than I.. So they do not deserve condescension from me.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    « Reply #9 on: June 19, 2011, 09:21:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir

    There is no "vocations" crisis. The crisis is of vocations not being responded to. No one is going to save the Church by pressuring everyone to become religious or priests. Everyone just needs to do their own job, whatever Heaven wills it to be.


    This is very true.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 19, 2011, 09:23:22 PM »
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  • In a word, my young friend: Chill.

    Unless I am mixing you up with another, you are 16.

    You have YEARS until you can enter upon ANY vocation, definitively.

    The thing to do NOW is cultivate a real, solid, intense interior life.  That will help you SEE what you need to see and give you the strength to DO whatever you need to do, whenever the time comes.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #11 on: June 19, 2011, 09:31:59 PM »
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  •  :sad: I read what you said about the impediment, and this is one of the plethora of reasons I had for giving a son up for adoption when I was 19.

    God has a plan for you, don't you worry. Just keep praying, and find a good spiritual director. Talk to him about these things.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #12 on: June 19, 2011, 09:36:21 PM »
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  • I am flattered that my ever-active anti-fan club have thumbs-downed a simple post at the top of this page (and all posts on the previous page).

    Why don't y'all go sniff (or even drink) gallons of paint?  It might prove more useful.  Your implacable hatred not only "improves" my rep, for whatever that is or is not worth, but continues to make your own peace an impossibility.  I'd call you funny and entertaining names, but all I feel for you is pity (but not that much).
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #13 on: June 19, 2011, 09:45:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    But one thing I will say is that when God calls you to the religious life, you'll know it. And don't think you have to be a St. Augustine or St. Padre Pio to please God and get to Heaven. Being a father isn't an easy vocation either. But if performed in a way that is pleasing to God, you will be rewarded for it. I too sometimes worried if marriage wouldn't make me close enough to God, until I heard a sermon just recently about the role of a father. God does will some men NOT to become priests. Continue to pray for God's Will and see what His Will is. He will answer your prayers eventually.


    I agree. I don't know if there are truly less holy fathers of families or if they just don't get the attention that religious do. Religious are public servants, in the public eye with more people to testify to their sanctity, so it makes sense that they go down in the books.

    Fathers don't have the same public ministry. Theirs is much more private but just as powerful in that they train and pave the way for more Catholic families and vocations for generations. The greatest saint besides Our Lady is St Joseph, a father from whom we have not one word docuмented. So all those quiet holy fathers throughout the centuries that no one docuмented, yet who humbly helped keep the Faith alive through their generations are following in mighty large footsteps.

    This is not meant to convince you of your vocation but simply to give you a different perspective on fatherhood. The virtues needed are all the same...humility, selflessness, wisdom, patience, purity (even within marriage). The mission is the same...glory to God and the salvation of souls. The only difference is where God decides to put those virtues you've cultivated to good use. So cultivate first and when it's time to sow He will let you know where to go.

    And Happy Father's Day to the fathers among us!

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    « Reply #14 on: June 20, 2011, 07:58:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Daegus
    Thank you both GV and wallflower. Your points are duly noted.

    There are times where I forget that I am just as wicked as the people who seem to be even more wicked than I.. So they do not deserve condescension from me.


    This is an afterthought and it should not be, I should have known to include the disclaimer right away, but of course I am culpable of lack of charity myself. This is how I can recognize it... been there done that, many, many times  ;)  Often even being bored by people comes from believing ourselves to be above them and not looking hard enough to see God's wonder and the good qualities within the other person.

    Also it's not necessary to believe that we are more wicked than everyone else, what's important is to recognize that IF we are less wicked, it is ONLY through God's grace, and without it, when we reject it, then we are certainly capable of worse.