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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Is the vigil of the Assumption traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2018, 02:10:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 14, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
    Church Law as of 1956:


    http://www.cmri.org/fasting-laws.shtml
    So is the down thumb for this post because it states Church Law before 1962 or because the link is a CMRI link?   :laugh1:
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    Re: Is the vigil of the Assumption traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?
    « Reply #16 on: August 14, 2018, 02:16:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 14, 2018, 02:10:33 PM
    So is the down thumb for this post because it states Church Law before 1962 or because the link is a CMRI link?   :laugh1:

    Wasn’t from me; I prefer the older more rigorous laws.
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    Offline Geremia

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    fast on vigil of Assumption of ancient origins
    « Reply #17 on: August 14, 2018, 02:54:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 14, 2018, 12:29:21 PM
    Not in the U.S., not since the 1950s.  He's wrong.
    Traditionally, from ancient times, there was a fast:
    Munificentissimus Deus §19:
    Quote from: Pope Pius XII
    that a holy fast had been ordered from ancient times for the day prior to the feast [of the Assumption] is made very evident by what our predecessor St. Nicholas I testifies in treating of the principal fasts which "the Holy Roman Church has observed for a long time, and still observes."
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    Re: Is the vigil of the Assumption traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?
    « Reply #18 on: August 15, 2018, 06:33:27 PM »
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    • I would prefer to fast on any vigil, to a Holy Day.
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    Epiphany/Re: Is the vigil of [...] traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?
    « Reply #19 on: January 05, 2019, 04:04:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 14, 2018, 10:59:09 AM

    [....] as the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "Pope Nicholas I (d. 867), in his answer to the Bulgarians, speaks of the fast on the eves of Christmas and of the Assumption ...  The Synod of Seligenstadt (1022) mentions vigils on the eves of Christmas, Epiphany, the feast of the Apostles, the Assumption of Mary, St. Laurence, and All Saints, besides the fast of two weeks before the Nativity of St. John."

    According to a reminder from TRADITIO Network [*], the Feast of the Epiphany is 1 of the oldest of feasts; in particular, a celebration whose religious observance is older than Christmas.  Yet it's not even a holyday of obligation in the U.S.A., never mind any vigil on the eve of Epiphany.  The latter eve, according to the logical calculation reïnforced so recently [*], is the observance-worthy "12th Day of Christmas" [#].

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    Note *: <http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1901.htm#190105>.

    Note †: And yet the Feast of the Circuмcision (ecclesiastical Latin meaning "arena games of college football" [‡]), is a holyday of obligation.  Being an octave day (of Christmas), it is neither a day of fast nor by itself, of abstinence.

    Note ‡: Especially when Notre Dame plays, altho' such a focus irritates alums of Boston College, Fordham, Holy Cross, &c.

    Note #: Scarce few people ever seem to notice that by Roman inclusive counting, there are actually 13 days "from Christmas to the Epiphany".
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    Re: Epiphany/Re: Is the vigil of [...] traditionally a day of fast and abstinence?
    « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2019, 06:37:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: AlligatorDicax on January 05, 2019, 04:04:07 PM

    According to a reminder from TRADITIO Network [*], the Feast of the Epiphany is 1 of the oldest of feasts; in particular, a celebration whose religious observance is older than Christmas.

    Note *: <http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1901.htm#190105>.

    Not only did I fail to post the correct fragment-id for supporting the specific point that I was making, but so also did the TRADITIO Network!   Their URL for accessing the text that I cited is currently the vertically-dyslexic <http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1901.htm#190109>.  It should be <http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1901.htm#190106>.  Alas, it's no secret that "The Fathers" are stubbornly resistant about responding to notifications of their own errors that ought to be corrected (but maybe they'll correct 1 of their own erroneous links.

    What the browsers used by CathInfo members will do when the correct entry for "January 9, 2019" appears on that page (as the 2nd "#190109") is implementation-dependent.  For the Web-page coding-language HTML, duplicate fragment-ids seem, in an example of technical timidity [×], not to be detected as technical semantic errors.

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    Note ×: It's been widely accepted, at least since the beginning of the 1970s, as unreasonable for any computing language to meekly allow what are formally duplicate definitions (or duplicate declarations) of identifiers.  For the point herein, that would mean duplicate fragment-ids (e.g.: "190109") would be errors.
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