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Re: A Consoling Thought from Padre Pio
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 04:07:00 PM »
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  • 2. That would only be in relation to public prayers, so as to avoid scandal.

    See, the problem with #2 is that there IS papal teachings that admonished a Catholic bishop from praying for and encouraging his flock to pray privately for those who clearly died outside the Church (in this case a late noble woman).

    I assume the reason the Church forbids public prayer for those who died outside Her Bosom is partly because it gives the impression that non-Catholics can be saved without converting, indifferentism - which is deadly error for both Catholics and non-Catholics alike, that undermines (or implicitly denies) the dogma of EENS.

    So, in Padre Pio's case, I am going out on a limb and assuming his grandfather was Catholic.

    No problem there. One could pray for their grandpa's conversion 20 years after his death, that they would meet grandma and get married, or that they would get a Red Ryder BB gun for their 9th Christmas.

    It is with those who we can clearly see DID NOT convert that there is a problem.

    How does it make sense for the Church to advocate for Catholics to practice in private (private prayer for those who died already outside the Church)...

    while at the same time,

    Forbidding public prayer for the very same persons due to scandal?

    The idea that praying for those who died outside the Church and after their death (retroactively) for their conversion in private is good, but that if we all come together at the chapel under Fr. so-and-so to offer some prayers for the same persons is bad! 


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    Re: A Consoling Thought from Padre Pio
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 07:54:55 PM »
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  • The idea that praying for those who died outside the Church and after their death (retroactively) for their conversion in private is good, but that if we all come together at the chapel under Fr. so-and-so to offer some prayers for the same persons is bad!
    Scandal is a public thing, obviously, so as you say it is understandable that the Church has such rules against public prayer for those outside the Church in order not to promote indifferentism. Praying in private causes no such problem. There is no issue, Let's not make one! Whatever a certain bishop may have said in relation to a certain noble lady does not necessarily constitute Catholic doctrine, I am sure you would agree. So let us pray for all souls, living and dead, that God may show them His mercy. That is our part, leave the rest to God.


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    Re: A Consoling Thought from Padre Pio
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 08:01:03 PM »
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  • Whatever a certain bishop may have said in relation to a certain noble lady does not necessarily constitute Catholic doctrine, I am sure you would agree.
    Sure, but it wasn't a "certain bishop"

    It was a Pope writing to a bishop.





    There is more at play here than just scandal. 

    I believe it has to do with how we are to understand the communion of saints as the Church Herself sees it.

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    Re: A Consoling Thought from Padre Pio
    « Reply #18 on: Today at 06:10:51 AM »
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  • Sorry, I misunderstood you. It was the Pope of the day admonishing a bishop.
    I'm sorry I don't have time for a more in depth analysis of this video and all the quotes.
    But I think if you are objective you will see that they have been plucked out of context and do not forbid praying for those who appear to have died outside the Church or in sin.
    Just read the quote at time stamp 00:17 "in the final moments of her life she may have been enlightened to repentance by a hidden benefit of the merciful God". Therefore, not only can you pray for her, you should pray for her. It is the public rites that are forbidden by the discipline of the Church.