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Offline ark of covenant

Re: Is this generally agreed upon?
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2022, 09:18:57 AM »
The subject of Moral Theology is exclusively the domain of the clergy. One should not be studying books of Moral Theology without a proper formation. The only recourse any layman should have to the morality of any action is yo consult a properly formed spiritual confessor. I know this I studied moral theology, but not now. I am a layman.
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Is this generally agreed upon?
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2022, 09:29:05 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 01, 2022, 08:59:25 AM
It's proportionate response to your ignorant pontification  "As I said,"

The "as I said" was a reference to my similar statement in an earlier post, not a "pontification." I wasn't claiming to be an authority. In fact, I quoted St. Alphonsus, a Doctor of the Church, as the authority.

So against your "several priests" and "bishop Williamson," I posit St. Alphonsus. Then, when you don't know what to say, you attack me personally.

A personal attack, as I'm sure you know, is called argumentum ad hominem. It is a logically-invalid form of argumentation. But you continue with it in your last post with the accusation of "ignorant pontification," rather than addressing the substance of what St. Alphonsus said and the fact that it contradicts your flawed recommendation to the OP.
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Is this generally agreed upon?
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2022, 10:03:08 AM »
Quote from: ark of covenant on March 01, 2022, 09:18:57 AM
The subject of Moral Theology is exclusively the domain of the clergy. One should not be studying books of Moral Theology without a proper formation. The only recourse any layman should have to the morality of any action is yo consult a properly formed spiritual confessor. I know this I studied moral theology, but not now. I am a layman.

You have made serious claims. Are they true? Please provide evidence from magisterial docuŠ¼ents or Doctors.

CLAIM: "Moral theology is exclusively the domain of the clergy."

CLAIM: "One should not be studying books of Moral Theology without a proper formation" 

CLAIM: "The only recourse any layman should have to the morality of any action is to consult a properly formed spiritual confessor." 

You do realize that, if you are correct, every Catholic catechism is morally-problematic and should be avoided by ANY layman? You do realize that every Catechism contains "moral theology" don't you?
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Offline songbird

Re: Is this generally agreed upon?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2022, 01:21:59 PM »
"Sin and it's consequences " by Cardinal Maning is very good reading. Writings mentioning the time, "Lent", but he describes so well what is being spoken of on this post.
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Offline ark of covenant

Re: Is this generally agreed upon?
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2022, 06:24:28 PM »
When young men visited the seminary during my time they were forbidden to attend classes of moral theology and canon law. No other classes were closed to visitors except those two. And with regards to Catechisms containing moral theology they were not as extensive as St. Alphonsus.
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