Author Topic: 1956 v. 1962 Missal (Read 5379 times)

Jehanne · « **on:** September 01, 2009, 10:16:02 AM »

This one has probably been discussed before, but hey, I am new here! :dancing-banana: So, what do all of you think? I like the 1956 Missal but am happy to assist at Mass where the priest is using the 1962 one. Both Masses appear to be almost identical, but there has been some controversy among traditional Catholics over this issue. What do you think?

Belloc · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2009, 10:18:03 AM »

My missal is a 1958 Maryknoll Missal....it is esier to follow than the St. Joseph's missal of 1962, at leats for me, but guess it is what you get used to....

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2009, 11:05:28 AM »

if I recall correctly, SSPX has allowed use of 1962 Missal......

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2009, 01:23:23 PM »

The "no no" about the 1962 missal, is that there was at least one change made to the canon of the Mass. There might be more, I don't know, but the least that was done was that Saint Joseph was added to the canon, against the wishes of the infallible docuмent Quo Primum.

Call me a purist, but it does say very clearly that NO ONE is allowed to add or subtract or change the canon of the Mass.

Jehanne · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2009, 01:35:05 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

The "no no" about the 1962 missal, is that there was at least one change made to the canon of the Mass. There might be more, I don't know, but the least that was done was that Saint Joseph was added to the canon, against the wishes of the infallible docuмent Quo Primum.

Call me a purist, but it does say very clearly that NO ONE is allowed to add or subtract or change the canon of the Mass.

Is the Canon in Quo Primum the same as the Canon in the pre-1962 Missal? How far back in time does the Canon go?

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2009, 01:41:22 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

The "no no" about the 1962 missal, is that there was at least one change made to the canon of the Mass. There might be more, I don't know, but the least that was done was that Saint Joseph was added to the canon, against the wishes of the infallible docuмent Quo Primum.

Call me a purist, but it does say very clearly that NO ONE is allowed to add or subtract or change the canon of the Mass.

I agree in purism to an extent, but how then would we apply that to the DL of Chrysostom? "We pray for those who travel by sea,air and land"

In 4th C, no one was even thinking about air travel........

Addition was organic development, as would for instance space travel if we lived in universe of Star Trek for instance....

Addiing the prayer for Joseph might have been organic as well...I am not expert, but this could be reason.......

Just a few thoughts.....could be right or wrong.....

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2009, 01:46:30 PM »

"and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal. " http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm

Note-no added/detracted ceremonies or praeyers, but does not forbid organc developments, like adding Leonine prayers at the end, after final prayers/Last Gospel......it does apply to NO, which deletes several prayers, rubrics, Last Gospel, etc.....

radtrad · « **Reply #7 on:** September 02, 2009, 07:04:16 PM »

Check out this article. I posted this link in a previous thread on a similar topic.

Jehanne · « **Reply #8 on:** September 02, 2009, 08:55:49 PM »

Quote from: radtrad

Check out this article. I posted this link in a previous thread on a similar topic.

Nice article. Okay, if not the Missal of 1962, then what year? Father Perez left that question unanswered.

radtrad · « **Reply #9 on:** September 02, 2009, 09:29:37 PM »

Jehanne · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2009, 06:44:45 AM »

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2009, 01:49:10 PM »

Quote from: Uriel

Are the words changed from MANY ARE SAVED to All ARE SAVED?

Good question! That is one of those things to do during a quick check of any book.........

radtrad · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:35:25 PM »

Jehanne · « **Reply #13 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:54:46 PM »

radtrad · « **Reply #14 on:** September 03, 2009, 08:49:11 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Interesting. I have attended some SSPX Masses. They are very well done, more reverent than any Norvus Ordo Mass that I have attended. How do the SSPX priests feel about the 1962 v. pre-1962 debate? Are they forced to use the 1962 Missal? Is the pre-1962 Missals allowed at all?

As far as I know, all SSPX chapels use the '62 missal. All SSPX chapels I have been to used the '62. Angelus Press, the publishing arm of the SSPX sells the 1962 missal. See here.

I do not know how SSPX priests feel about the "missal debate" but would assume they prefer the '62. Most priests that join the society know which missal is used. I also do not know if they are "forced" to use the '62. I believe that is what Fellay wants though... sounds like I don't know very much with certainty! :wink:

You are right to say that the SSPX masses are reverent... for the most part. A lot of times the priest rushes through the order of the mass. But a lot of time the priests is slower, more methodical. Again, it depends on the priest.