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Author Topic: "How the Novus Ordo Mass Was Made" Yves Chiron (July 22, 2021)  (Read 1309 times)

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Offline OABrownson1876

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How the Novus Ordo Mass was Made   I read this interesting article by Yves Chiron.  Chiron offers some commentary on the "Ottaviani Intervention," the first official rebuttal to Pope Paul's New Mass.  He maintains that the Intervention was actually authored by two people, the Dominican theologian, Michel Gerard des Lauriers, who was later consecrated bishop by Abp. Thuc, and a female, Italian writer, Cristina Campo (d.1977).  

There is also a piece about Cardinal Siri, and we quote from Chiron: 

"Although other cardinals and bishops had been approached to sign this plea (Ottaviani Intervention), none made up their mind to take that step. Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, thought that this Study was “more Bacci’s doing than Ottaviani’s” and that Cardinal Ottaviani gave his signature when the text had already been printed. Cardinal Siri added that he himself “would not have added his signature if he’d been asked.” Generally speaking, Cardinal Siri’s views on the liturgical reform were simple:
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The Council did not ask for any such revolution. The liturgical reform was done, the pope approved it, and that’s enough: I take the position of obedience, which is always owed to the pope. If he had asked me, I think I might have made some observations—several. But once a law has been approved, there is only one thing left to do: obey.'"


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Re: "How the Novus Ordo Mass Was Made" Yves Chiron (July 22, 2021)
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2023, 12:33:44 PM »
Sounds like +Siri had the mindset of many indulters…the revolution wasn’t “from the council”.  We need to “reform the reform”.  :facepalm:

When was this quote given?  Giving +Siri the benefit of the doubt, if he said this early on in the Revolution (ie 70s) then we can cut him some slack as even +ABL (and many other orthodox clergy) didn’t/couldn’t see how bad it was going to get.  


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Re: "How the Novus Ordo Mass Was Made" Yves Chiron (July 22, 2021)
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2023, 12:43:50 PM »
Apparently the article was taken from Chiron's book, Annibale Bugnini: Reformer of the Liturgy (2018).  I am curious to know when Carinal Siri made the comment and the full context. 

Re: "How the Novus Ordo Mass Was Made" Yves Chiron (July 22, 2021)
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2023, 12:50:47 PM »
How the Novus Ordo Mass was Made  I read this interesting article by Yves Chiron.  Chiron offers some commentary on the "Ottaviani Intervention," the first official rebuttal to Pope Paul's New Mass.  He maintains that the Intervention was actually authored by two people, the Dominican theologian, Michel Gerard des Lauriers, who was later consecrated bishop by Abp. Thuc, and a female, Italian writer, Cristina Campo (d.1977).

It is interesting that Cristina Campo wrote a substantial contribution to the Intervention, as she herself was a controversial figure.

Fr. Ricossa wrote a book abouther called "Cristina Campo: The Ambiguity of Tradition."

Apparently, she had esoteric interests, and lived with Elemere Zolle until her death.

Here is what Fr. Ricossa says of her:

"Cristina Campo (1923-1977), writer and poet, enjoyed great public and critical success after her death.

  The only people who seem to have forgotten her are "traditionalist" Catholics, of whom she was a leading figure. Among the founders of "Una Voce¬Italia", Vittoria Guerini (Cristina Campo's real name) made a decisive contribution to the drafting of the "Brief Critical Examination" of the new missal presented to Paul VI by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci. In those years, Cristina Campo was surrounded by Archbishop Lefebvre and Père Guérard des Lauriers, Archbishop d'Amato and Bishop Pozzi and, in France, Jean Madiran and the Abbé de Nantes... and the reader will perhaps discover for the first time a good part of the history of opposition to the liturgical reform - when everything was still possible - from 1965 to 1970.

  By following in Cristina Campo's footsteps, we can, at the same time, lose ourselves in the meanders of another "tradition" quite different from Catholic Tradition! From Simone Weil to Jungian psychoanalysis, from Manichaeism to Byzantine Hesychasm, from Vedanta to the Cabalism of Abraham J. Heschel, Cristina Campo travels the murky paths of "Christian" esotericism, guided by the indisputable master Elémire Zolla, with whom she shared her life.

  What then is the true face of Cristina Campo, a woman who, quite literally, lived "under a false name"? Who is the woman who rests in her native Bologna, at the feet of the Virgin of San Luca, to which her mother had dedicated her: the intrepid admirer of the Roman Mass or a disturbing initiate?

  The author attempts to resolve this dilemma, to which, ultimately, only God can provide the answer. The historian - for his part - can only rely on docuмents. In addition to unpublished sources, Abbé Ricossa has been able to draw on the archives of one of the protagonists of our history - Father M.-L. Guérard des Lauriers - and the testimonies of his last confessor, Cardinal Augustin Mayer...

  The second part of the book republishes a text that is no longer available (published by Borla in 1970 and the following year by Father Barbara), but which is fundamental: the Response to the "Letter to a religious" written by Father Guérard des Lauriers, a text of great importance in Cristina Campo's spiritual journey."
https://www.livresenfamille.fr/defense-de-la-foi/2404-abbe-francesco-ricossa-cristina-campo-ou-l-ambiguite-de-la-tradition-reponse-a-la-lettre-a-un-religieux-de-simone-weil.html


Note the Lotus Position and immodest swimsuit.

Re: "How the Novus Ordo Mass Was Made" Yves Chiron (July 22, 2021)
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2023, 01:14:08 PM »
It is interesting that Cristina Campo wrote a substantial contribution to the Intervention, as she herself was a controversial figure.

Fr. Ricossa wrote a book abouther called "Cristina Campo: The Ambiguity of Tradition."

Apparently, she had esoteric interests, and lived with Elemere Zolle until her death.

Here is what Fr. Ricossa says of her:

"Cristina Campo (1923-1977), writer and poet, enjoyed great public and critical success after her death.

  The only people who seem to have forgotten her are "traditionalist" Catholics, of whom she was a leading figure. Among the founders of "Una Voce¬Italia", Vittoria Guerini (Cristina Campo's real name) made a decisive contribution to the drafting of the "Brief Critical Examination" of the new missal presented to Paul VI by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci. In those years, Cristina Campo was surrounded by Archbishop Lefebvre and Père Guérard des Lauriers, Archbishop d'Amato and Bishop Pozzi and, in France, Jean Madiran and the Abbé de Nantes... and the reader will perhaps discover for the first time a good part of the history of opposition to the liturgical reform - when everything was still possible - from 1965 to 1970.

  By following in Cristina Campo's footsteps, we can, at the same time, lose ourselves in the meanders of another "tradition" quite different from Catholic Tradition! From Simone Weil to Jungian psychoanalysis, from Manichaeism to Byzantine Hesychasm, from Vedanta to the Cabalism of Abraham J. Heschel, Cristina Campo travels the murky paths of "Christian" esotericism, guided by the indisputable master Elémire Zolla, with whom she shared her life.

  What then is the true face of Cristina Campo, a woman who, quite literally, lived "under a false name"? Who is the woman who rests in her native Bologna, at the feet of the Virgin of San Luca, to which her mother had dedicated her: the intrepid admirer of the Roman Mass or a disturbing initiate?

  The author attempts to resolve this dilemma, to which, ultimately, only God can provide the answer. The historian - for his part - can only rely on docuмents. In addition to unpublished sources, Abbé Ricossa has been able to draw on the archives of one of the protagonists of our history - Father M.-L. Guérard des Lauriers - and the testimonies of his last confessor, Cardinal Augustin Mayer...

  The second part of the book republishes a text that is no longer available (published by Borla in 1970 and the following year by Father Barbara), but which is fundamental: the Response to the "Letter to a religious" written by Father Guérard des Lauriers, a text of great importance in Cristina Campo's spiritual journey."
https://www.livresenfamille.fr/defense-de-la-foi/2404-abbe-francesco-ricossa-cristina-campo-ou-l-ambiguite-de-la-tradition-reponse-a-la-lettre-a-un-religieux-de-simone-weil.html


Note the Lotus Position and immodest swimsuit.

...and aparently, her primary contribution in life was translating modernistic poetic works and the writings of Simone Weil.  Strange resume for someone contributing to the Ottavianni Intervention!!