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Author Topic: "...merely pious additions." ?? SSPX 1962 Missal re: 'O my Jesus, forgive...'  (Read 448 times)

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Offline DirigeNos

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That missal, besides being void of good traditional devotions and explanations (such as Before/After Communion prayers and Mass explanations), also tells the faithful that they can fast 1 hour before communion, etc. according to the new rules.
It's very dry and the notes at the common of the Mass are modern sounding. Compare to the St Andrew missal which is rich with material on every page and very traditional.

That missal, besides being void of good traditional devotions and explanations (such as Before/After Communion prayers and Mass explanations), also tells the faithful that they can fast 1 hour before communion, etc. according to the new rules.
It's very dry and the notes at the common of the Mass are modern sounding. Compare to the St Andrew missal which is rich with material on every page and very traditional.

Your right, there's no comparison of the SSPX 62' with the depth of the St. Andrew's Missal with ZVespers.
But then the SSPX thinks they are "Trad Church" now.



I saw a video where Sungenis mentioned that but it was an hour and a half long or something. Do you know the short version of why he thinks that?

Good question.

In a nutshell, I think he's spinning a lie. 
If someone fed him his information, he's supposed to have a Catholic PhD intellect to figure out the truth.

Basically Sungenis came up with several pieces of private correspondence between Sr. Lucy and her Bishop and Pope Pius XII.
In the letters, Sr. Lucy says Our Lord and Lady agreed that Pope Pius XII's consecrations were imperfect but acceptable.

He went on a talk show campaign making this pronouncement for about two years.

I think the breakthrough sources for understanding that Sungenis is disingenuous is Chiesa Viva and Sister Lucy Truth.

Chiesa Viva did the ground work investigation on Montini decades ago. Bottom line, they proved he was a Jєωιѕн ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who practiced Luciferianism.   

 I forgot to mention CI's own member, Persto who did a boatload of research on Opus Dei.
She docuмented the fact that Josemaria Escriva was a crypto-jew and he was advanced by Montini.  In fact, the two Jews collaboratedvto derail the Church's duty concerning Our Lady of Fatima's request.

So in the Vatican. under Pius XII, we have Montini sitting in the he desk of the Vatican Secretary to the Pope for (16) years. 
He is a Luciferian spy operative, who has a cat bird seat on everything the Pope is doing. And they are family friends.  He reads papal correspondence and he writes letters on behalf of the Vatican.

For example, in 1939, Montini sent a communique to the Jesuit Missions in Japan asking them to tell the Pope the Catholic demographics in that country. They replied that the largest Catholic populations are in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Six years later... Boom...Boom!

In Sr. Lucy Truth, they show how Montini and Escriva collaborated to surround and likely murder Sr. Lucy.

In conclusion, Sungenisus correspondence which passed through the hands and eyes of the Luciferian Montini isn't credible.
There's plenty of Montini generated Vatican correspondence showing how they corralled Sr. Lucy to silence and eventually eliminate her.

Our Lady of Fatima...pray for us! :pray:

Fatima is so fundamental to the global situation I just didn't think anyone could think the Consecrations had taken place. But when the video was over an hour long I just had to pass. Thanks for the synopsis.

The Church’s Obligation to Believe and Obey Our Lady of Fatima | Part 5 | The Fatima Center

"When Sister Lucia asked Our Lord in 1936, “Why will You not convert Russia without the Pope making that consecration?,” Jesus answered by saying: “Because I want My whole Church to recognize that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that later on My Church will extend her veneration and put the devotion to this Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.” "

Has the "whole Church recognize that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary"? No, it has not.
Why? Because the whole Church does not see any triumph. A Triumph of doing what? Converting Russia to the Catholic Faith.  If there are there is one or two groups saying the conversion of Russia is now complete, then that still does not make it the "whole Church".  Our Lord said the "whole Church" not just part of the Church, or the few enlightened members of the Church.

Therefore, the consecration of Russia has not been done correctly to affect the conversion of Russia.

Our Lord made it easy to tell whether or not the consecration of Russia is done correctly or not, it is when the whole Church recognizes that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Either the whole Church has recognized it or not, and for something to be recognize, it has to have happened. A Triumph of doing what? Converting Russia to the Catholic Faith.