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Offline Your Friend Colin

Re: The Second Vatican Council
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2019, 05:01:16 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 10, 2019, 04:55:33 PM
I reject it since I believe John XXIII was an anti-Pope, and therefore had no authority to call it. I often get called a schismatic for believing that, yet I don't see how it's any more schismatic than recognising the Pope but rejecting his Councils, his rites and his Masses.
Gotchya. I see the points your are raising. Some are quite compelling. But I also acknowledge some of the R&R positions as well.
I'm not staunchly opposed to sedevacantism. I just honestly have no idea what position to take. It's so confusing! This is clearly a terrible scourge from God on account of men's wickedness (mine included). 
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Offline ascanio1

Re: The Second Vatican Council
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2019, 10:59:12 AM »
Quote from: Your Friend Colin on April 10, 2019, 05:01:16 PM
Gotchya. I see the points your are raising. Some are quite compelling. But I also acknowledge some of the R&R positions as well.
I'm not staunchly opposed to sedevacantism. I just honestly have no idea what position to take. It's so confusing! This is clearly a terrible scourge from God on account of men's wickedness (mine included).
This is my dilemma too... I am scared that I will sin if I do and sin if I don't. I don't know what is the right thing to do.

 


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Offline The Fact Checker

Re: The Second Vatican Council
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2024, 06:19:31 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 10, 2019, 04:44:05 PM
The fact that Pope John XXIII referred to it as a "Pastoral Council" is irrelevant. He also referred to it as an Ecuмenical Council many times, including most importantly in the opening speech of the Council. Ignoring that and just deciding to ignore an Ecuмenical Council because you dislike it is no different than what Old Catholics did. You have to actually justify why an Ecuмenical Council called by a valid Pope is somehow not a valid Council.
Under your logic, would you consider the Lateran Council of 649 an Ecuмenical Council? A True, Valid Pope intended it to be an Ecuмenical Council, and it was referred to as such as the start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateran_Council_of_649

Remember what makes a Council Ecuмenical is Papal Ratification after the Council, not words said before or during. Pope Paul VI stated that it's not infallible. Vatican 2 was a heretical robbers council, there have been many in Church history. Full stop.
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