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Which Bible Should You Read?
« on: February 09, 2009, 12:47:09 PM »
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  • Which Bible Should You Read
    (The Douay-Rheims)

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    Which Bible Should You Read?
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 03:06:28 PM »
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  • This book is very interesting -- it goes over several translations, showing how the Douay-Rheims is most faithful to the original text.

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    Which Bible Should You Read?
    « Reply #2 on: March 08, 2013, 03:36:43 PM »
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  • I recommend that everyone read this, at least once.
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    Which Bible Should You Read?
    « Reply #3 on: March 08, 2013, 04:13:08 PM »
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  • If you y'all (Southron plural that is) are able to obtain one, seek the Haydock DR Bible, as this contains traditional exegesis on the text. For those of you who have an iPhone or iPOd, or Ipad, the iPieta app is a great little portable resource that includes the DR version of Scripture, the commentary, and a great, GREAT deal more.

    There are a archaic terms/words in the DR, but not to the point that is should prove a difficulty for anyone. Plus it never hurts to expand your TradCath education.

    For those of who have studied formally, it is good to have your paws on various versions (in part to see the deficiencies of other texts.) Thankfully many of these are available for free online because it is not thy worth to buy them.
    I remember when the Newly Ruined Slandered Version was making its debut at our grad college, and everyone thought is was so wunderbar because of its use of "inclusive" language. Then folk decided to extend this concept beyond the text in Scripture.Brought to you by the same people who thought "On Eagles Wings" is the cat's meow when it comes to liturgical music.

    "And I will cook you up,
    like chicken wings,
    garnish you with basil leaves,
    leading you on the road to Hell,
    and baste you in devilish cajun sauce."

    Deo Gratias Feria Sexta est!
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Which Bible Should You Read?
    « Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 11:44:42 AM »
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  • Here is an excerpt:

    In Genesis 3:15 (Douay-Rheims Bible) we
    read God’s judgment against Lucifer for his
    part in Original Sin, as well as God’s
    prophecy concerning him: “I will put
    enmities between thee and the woman,
    and thy seed and her seed: she shall
    crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in
    wait for her heel.” (DRB).
    All three modern Catholic translations
    are fundamentally different from the
    Douay-Rheims, but all basically agree with
    each other. First in order is the translation
    of the New American Bible, the one used in
    the Catholic liturgy today:
    “I will put enmity between you and the
    woman, and between your offspring and
    hers; He will strike at your head, while you
    strike at his heel.” (NAB, ’70 and ’86). This
    renders a very different meaning indeed
    from the Douay-Rheims version. Now read
    how the other versions render this passage:
    “I will put enmity between you and the
    woman, and between your seed and her
    seed; he shall bruise your head, and you
    shall bruise his heel.” (CRSV, ’66).
    “I will make you enemies of each other:24
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    you and the woman, your offspring and her
    offspring. It will crush your head and you
    will strike its heel.” (JB, ’66).
    “I will put enmity between you and the
    woman, between your brood and hers. They
    [note the plural] shall strike at your head,
    and you shall strike at their heel.” (NEB,
    ’76).
    “And I will put enmity between you and
    the woman, and between your offspring
    and hers; he will crush your head, and you
    will strike his heel.” (NIV, ’78).
    “And I will put enmity between you and
    the woman, and between your seed and her
    Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you
    shall bruise His heel.” (NKJV, ’85).
    “I will put enmity between you and the
    woman, and between your offspring and
    hers; he will strike your head, and you will
    strike his heel.” (NRSV, ’89).
    “And I will put enmity between you and
    the woman, and between your seed and
    her seed. He shall bruise you on the head,
    and you shall bruise him on the heel.”
    (NASV, ’77).
    Note how the Douay-Rheims makes per-
    fect sense, but the others are confusing.
    (The words literally “swim” on the page.)“She Shall Crush Thy Head . . .”
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    All of the English versions other than the
    Douay-Rheims translate this verse in a very
    similar manner: The JB takes the pronoun
    to be neuter, “it” (seemingly an indecisive
    “cop-out”), and the NEB takes it to be
    plural, referring to the woman’s “brood.”
    But most take the pronoun to be masculine,
    referring to Our Lord as the one to “bruise”
    or “crush” the head of the serpent, rather
    than “she,” referring to Our Lady. Some
    may think this a “small” difference, but in
    fact, it is very great indeed. For, from this
    prophecy in the Douay-Rheims comes a
    longstanding Catholic tradition that toward
    the End of Time the Blessed Virgin Mary
    will crush the head of Satan, after her devo-
    tees have promoted her honor and devotion
    and directed countless prayers for her inter-
    cession during a long period of time. This
    ancient tradition, which is based on Gene-
    sis 3:15, is in danger of being relegated to
    the scrap-heap if we accept these non-
    traditional translations.
    Consider what Bl. Pius IX (Pope, 1846-
    1878) wrote on this score in his bull Inef-
    fabilis Deus, declaring the dogma of the
    Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Vir-
    gin Mary (December 8, 1854). After citing
    the writings of the Fathers of the Church26
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    and other learned writers, he concludes:
    “Hence, just as Christ, the Mediator
    between God and man, assumed human
    nature, blotted the handwriting of the
    decree that stood against us, and fastened
    it triumphantly to the cross, so the most
    holy Virgin, united with Him by a most
    intimate and indissoluble bond, was, with
    Him and through Him, eternally at enmity
    with the evil serpent, and most completely
    triumphed over him, and thus crushed his
    head with her immaculate foot.”
    The Douay-Rheims, following the Vul-
    gate, is the only English Bible that trans-
    lates this passage with “she shall crush”
    and “thou shalt lie in wait for her heel,” the
    reference being to Blessed Virgin Mary’s
    ultimately defeating the devil and his min-
    ions in a great spiritual battle, with the
    final victory being attributed to her inter-
    cession. Now this is exactly the traditional
    Catholic translation of this passage. More-
    over, translated this way, the text makes
    perfect sense; translated the new way, it is
    confusing! One should stop here to read
    the passage again from the Douay-Rheims
    on page 23, paragraph 1, and see how
    nicely the meaning flows when it refers to
    the woman in both clauses, plus how mean-“She Shall Crush Thy Head . . .”
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    ingful the second clause is compared to the
    second clause in all the other translations.
    In light of these new translations of Gen-
    esis 3:15, what is to become of this Catholic
    tradition about the role of the Blessed Vir-
    gin Mary in defeating the devil?—a tradi-
    tion reinforced, it might be added, by Our
    Lady’s apparition to St. Catherine Labouré
    in 1831, wherein she gave us the Miraculous
    Medal, whose image presents her standing
    on the world and crushing the head of a ser-
    pent with her foot. The truth of this appari-
    tion is reinforced by the presence of St.
    Catherine’s beautiful, incorrupt body in the
    Chapel of the Daughters of Charity, at 140
    rue de Bac in Paris, of which order she was
    a member. Hundreds of thousands of pil-
    grims visit this chapel every year to view
    her body, which is on open display and
    which is a phenomenal, on-going testimony
    to the truth of this apparition—and ulti-
    mately to the truth of the Catholic tradition
    that “she,” the Blessed Mother, shall crush
    the serpent’s head!
    This prophecy of Genesis 3:15 is also
    depicted by millions of statues and pictures
    throughout the world which represent this
    prophesied event. Are we and our (at least)
    1600-year-old tradition wrong in this re-28
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    gard, and are the modern biblical exegetes
    and translators right?
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