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Title: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Hermenegild on June 05, 2018, 01:21:33 AM
http://jettandjahn.afrasaibi.com/books/ThirdReichPDF.pdf
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: forlorn on June 05, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
The NSDAP leadership was full of neo-pagans and atheists, and the "Progressive Christianity" expounded by the party was downright heretical. Hardly the Holy Roman Empire. 
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Hermenegild on June 05, 2018, 06:02:53 PM
The NSDAP leadership was full of neo-pagans and atheists, and the "Progressive Christianity" expounded by the party was downright heretical. Hardly the Holy Roman Empire.
Please provide the evidence for this - but this discussion would need to be moved to another thread.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: forlorn on June 05, 2018, 06:25:32 PM
You can PM me to continue this, but honestly just google "Positive Christianity"(progressive was a slip-up sorry) and that should say it all. 
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Nadir on June 05, 2018, 07:33:27 PM
Forlorn, Hermengild has asked you to provide evidence for your statement on CathInfo, so it is only decent to provide the evidence on CathInfo. I am sure that more than Hermengild would like to hear your answer, but of course, on a new thread. We must be quiet in the library.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: forlorn on June 05, 2018, 09:26:14 PM
Forlorn, Hermengild has asked you to provide evidence for your statement on CathInfo, so it is only decent to provide the evidence on CathInfo. I am sure that more than Hermengild would like to hear your answer, but of course, on a new thread. We must be quiet in the library.
Uhh that's what I meant. This site has a PM function. 
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Cantarella on June 06, 2018, 12:54:48 AM
The NSDAP leadership was full of neo-pagans and atheists, and the "Progressive Christianity" expounded by the party was downright heretical. Hardly the Holy Roman Empire.

I think you meant "Positive Christianity".
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: poche on June 22, 2018, 03:48:12 AM
Pope Pius XI had something to say about the Third Reich and it wasn't very positive.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: JezusDeKoning on June 22, 2018, 08:22:00 AM
Pope Pius XI had something to say about the Third Reich and it wasn't very positive.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html
Enough with the regurgitating of the Holy Father's docuмent - it does you no favors regurgitating the same post about the National Socialists every time this docuмent comes up.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: poche on June 22, 2018, 10:44:41 PM
Enough with the regurgitating of the Holy Father's docuмent - it does you no favors regurgitating the same post about the National Socialists every time this docuмent comes up.
As a Catholic I think we should study what the Holy Father had to say on the matter.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: JezusDeKoning on June 22, 2018, 10:50:56 PM
As a Catholic I think we should study what the Holy Father had to say on the matter.
Yes, but offer something else other than just reposting the docuмent.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Nadir on June 22, 2018, 10:56:03 PM
Yes, but offer something else other than just reposting the docuмent.

I wish I had a dollar for every time Poche posted mit-brennender-sorge. I could pay a return flight to Germany. 

Of course, he has nothing more to offer. 
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Hermenegild on June 23, 2018, 12:33:44 AM
Interestingly, Mit brennender Sorge does not mention:

Adolf Hitler
National Socialism
NSDAP
nαzιs


Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: poche on June 24, 2018, 10:28:21 PM
I wish I had a dollar for every time Poche posted mit-brennender-sorge. I could pay a return flight to Germany.

Of course, he has nothing more to offer.
Maybe you should study and meditate on what he has to say instead of offering praise to an anti Catholic ideology. 
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: klasG4e on June 25, 2018, 10:57:20 AM
Has anybody come across this book?  I was slightly astounded when I first saw it in the STAS bookstore in Winona before the seminary got moved to Virginia.  There was only one copy of it so I snapped it up.  My copy is published by Roger A. McCaffrey Publishing and has a total of 565 pages unlike the one seen on Amazon at the below link which is put out by Pelican Publishing and shows a total page count of 592 pages.

The book is The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich.  It is seen here: https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377 (https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377)

I am amazed that there is not a single review of this book on the Amazon site.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: klasG4e on June 25, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
Has anybody come across this book?  I was slightly astounded when I first saw it in the STAS bookstore in Winona before the seminary got moved to Virginia.  There was only one copy of it so I snapped it up.  My copy is published by Roger A. McCaffrey Publishing and has a total of 565 pages unlike the one seen on Amazon at the below link which is put out by Pelican Publishing and shows a total page count of 592 pages.

The book is The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich.  It is seen here: https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377 (https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377)

I am amazed that there is not a single review of this book on the Amazon site.
Sorry, don't know why the Amazon link seems messed up.  Just Google to find it on Amazon.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Cantarella on June 25, 2018, 12:06:34 PM
Sorry, don't know why the Amazon link seems messed up.  Just Google to find it on Amazon.
The link does work.
Thank you.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: poche on June 25, 2018, 10:51:11 PM
Has anybody come across this book?  I was slightly astounded when I first saw it in the STAS bookstore in Winona before the seminary got moved to Virginia.  There was only one copy of it so I snapped it up.  My copy is published by Roger A. McCaffrey Publishing and has a total of 565 pages unlike the one seen on Amazon at the below link which is put out by Pelican Publishing and shows a total page count of 592 pages.

The book is The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich.  It is seen here: https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377 (https://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Catholic-Church-Third-Reich/dp/1589801377)

I am amazed that there is not a single review of this book on the Amazon site.
When Pope Pius XI had his encyclical read in every parish in Germany, the state police went looking for who had copies of this encyclical. Those who possessed it were arrested and tortured.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Hermenegild on June 26, 2018, 03:12:00 AM
(http://www.biblemagazine.com/magazine/vol-9/issue-1/teb07.jpg)
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: Nadir on June 26, 2018, 03:24:04 AM
Maybe you should study and meditate on what he has to say instead of offering praise to an anti Catholic ideology.
Where did I offer praise to an anti Catholic ideology? I merely pointed out your parrot-like and inane postings.
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: poche on June 26, 2018, 10:32:15 PM
Where did I offer praise to an anti Catholic ideology? I merely pointed out your parrot-like and inane postings.
Pope Pius XI was not an anti Catholic ideologue.  
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: trad123 on June 27, 2018, 09:34:08 PM
The editor was supposedly Fr. Walter Mariaux , a Jesuit priest:

http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/leaf-sum/nαzιperscath.htm



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2.  The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich (1942).

It was published in London during 1942 and the author’s identity had, at the time, to be kept secret. Copies and reprints are available on the Internet and seem to vary between £5 - 18 or $9 - 25 plus delivery.

This book, of 565 tightly printed pages, is full of detailed events and is indispensable to anyone researching this subject.

After the war the history of the book’s formation could be revealed.  Admiral Canaris was a German hero during the First World War and very patriotic. In 1935, when the army was still free from close nαzι control, Canaris was appointed head of the Army Forces Intelligence Service – the Abwehr.

Canaris (a non-practising Catholic) organised a secret group within the Abwehr, which included Josef Muller, a dedicated Catholic. So Muller, while travelling widely on secret army work, was able to collect details of persecution without raising nαzι suspicions. When completed, he delivered the information to the Vatican where Fr. Walter Mariaux translated and organised the material. In 1941 he passed the typescript to ‘Burns and Oates’, a Catholic publisher in London. They published it in 1942.

Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: poche on July 03, 2018, 04:30:59 AM
If we are going to talk about the Third Reich and the Catholic Church, then we should also  see what Pope Pius had to say;

I have always been on good terms with Jєωs. Only the other evening two Jєωs were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jєωs. Indeed, we also pray for them: that their minds be enlightened.

http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/1253-herzl1904

I see Pope St Pius X as a contradiction to the mentality of Hitler and the Third Reich. 
Title: Re: The Third Reich - The Return Of The Holy Roman Empire
Post by: klasG4e on July 04, 2018, 09:04:10 PM

I see Pope St Pius X as a contradiction to the mentality of Hitler and the Third Reich.

Hitler, has with no small reason, sometimes been referred to as the founder of modern day Israel.  He was supported by Zionists and supported Zionism.  Pope St. Pius X, on the other hand, was very much against the Zionists' desire to take over Palestine.