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  • Happily, I knew Paula Haigh (RIP), who wrote wonderfully on the subject in her own right, but who was also a longtime friend and correspondent of our friend Cassini here. She introduced me both to him, and to his Earthmovers.

    Now here was a treatment of the subject that not only never violated my sensus catolicus, but filled every dark corner of the conspiracy with blazing light.

    Earthmovers is a most worthy work which will go on increasing, even if its esteemed author must needs materially decrease.

    The entire church owes Friend Cassini Her gratitude, and, indeed, She will render his service to Her praise, in God's good time. Amen.

    Paula's trilogy of studies is linked below: [size=-1]I. Galileo's Heresy[/b][/font][/size]
    [size=-1]II. Galileo's Empiricism[/b][/font][/size]
    [size=-1]III. Was It / Is It Infallible?[/b][/font][/size]

    GALILEO'S HERESY

    GALILEO'S EMPIRICISM-AND BEYOND:

      by Paula Haigh


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  • Paula's trilogy of studies is linked below: [size=-1]I. Galileo's Heresy[/b][/font][/size]
    [size=-1]II. Galileo's Empiricism[/b][/font][/size]
    [size=-1]III. Was It / Is It Infallible?[/b][/font][/size]

    GALILEO'S HERESY

    GALILEO'S EMPIRICISM-AND BEYOND:

      by Paula Haigh

    On a side note of some interest is the fact that Paula was a glober, not a flat earther.  In  GALILEO'S EMPIRICISM-AND BEYOND: she explicitly affirms Earth's sphericity: "The sphericity of the earth along with its being hung upon nothing (Job26:7) are proved beyond any shadow of doubt."

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  • Pages 6-9 MINI TE

    ‘In 1460… a Tuscan monk rode unobtrusively into Florence on a donkey. Attached to his side was a bundle of cloth in which a small collection of books had been packed. Leonardo da Pistoia who had travelled a long way, took his precious cargo directly to the Doge of Florence, Cosimo de’ Medici (1389-1464). An intellectual [and doctrinal] nuclear bomb was about to explode.’--- (Hancock & Bauval. Talisman, Penguin Books, 2004.) 

    Republished in many languages by Marsilio Ficino (1433-1499) - an Italian scholar and Catholic priest who was one of the most influential humanist philosophers of the early Italian Renaissance - and spread throughout Europe, it was these books that resurrected the heresies and false philosophies of the ancient pagans under the pretense of a ‘scientific’ Enlightenment that changed beliefs in both Church and State in so many ways. It was the Earth moving around a fixed fire at the centre of the universe in these books that uniquely inspired Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) to compile his De revolutionibus, published in 1543 with the help of the Lutheran Georg Rheticus (1514-1574). It was Rheticus who conjured up the quip that ‘the Bible only teaches us how to go to heaven not how the heavens go,’ in order to pave the way for further changes to Scripture as the Protestant Reformation was inclined to do. Martin Luther’s best-known doctrine explains the connection between the two:

    ‘If someone equipped with the tools of reading could reinterpret the text of either the Bible or the Book of Nature – independent of intervening layers of authority – whole new possibilities of understanding could emerge in the natural sciences as well as in theology.’--- Prof. Danielson: The First Copernican, p.21.

    ‘Before he left Varmia in 1541 Rheticus had composed his own small tract to demonstrate the absence of conflict between heliocentrism and the Bible…. He went on to make a distinction that is still part of the faith-science dialogue: In the Bible the Holy Spirit’s intention, declared Rheticus, is not to teach science but to impart only spiritual truths “necessary for Salvation.”’--- Dennis Danielson: The First Copernican, 2006, p.108.

    Neither Copernicus or his book, printed by a Protestant publishing company by the way, were ever condemned by the Catholic Church in his time because in De revolutionibus’s preface, another Protestant, Andreas Osiander, stated its heliocentrism was not offered as a truth, but only as a new way to calculate mathematical movements in the universe. And that is how Copernicus and De revolutionibus managed to avoid a Church condemnation in the 16th century.

    ‘And if [this book] constructs and thinks up causes - and it has certainly thought up a good many - nevertheless it does not think them up in order to persuade anyone of their truth but only that they provide a correct basis for calculation… Maybe the philosopher demands probability instead; but neither of them will grasp anything certain or hand it on, unless it has been divinely revealed to him.’--- De  revolution.


    Two years later, in 1545, the Council of Trent was convoked in response to the Protestant reformation and rebellion against various Catholic dogmas, doctrines and Biblical revelations. Its twenty-five sessions lasted eighteen years (1545-1563) and were presided over by four popes, Pope Paul III (1534-1549), Julius III (1550-1555), Marcellus II (1555) and Pius IV (1559-1565). In session four of April 8, 1546, the Council ruled:

    ‘No one shall dare interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense held by Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of Scripture, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers.’---Trent.

    Here above the Council of Trent teaches that whatever is in the Bible held by the Church and all the Fathers as a revealed truth, that cannot be denied or changed. In Trent’s 1566 Catechism teaching on the Fathers’ Creation, we find the following placed under ‘Catholic belief in God the Creator:’

    ‘I Believe in God, Almighty Father, Creator of Heaven and Earth. He followed no external form or model; but contemplating, and as it were imitating, the universal model contained in the divine intelligence, the supreme Architect, with infinite wisdom and power created all things in the beginning. He so ordered the celestial bodies in a certain and uniform course that nothing varies more than their continual revolution, while nothing is more fixed than their variety…. The Earth God commanded to stand in the midst of the world, rooted in its own foundations [Psa. 103:5: You fixed the Earth upon its foundations, not to be moved forever].’

    After Copernicus, the old sun-centred heretical doctrines began to attract new recruits like Giordano Bruno (1548-1600). Bruno, a priest who defrocked himself to spread Copernicus’s heliocentrism and other condemned associated heresies throughout Europe, was caught and put on trial by the Inquisition in 1593. Prof. Martinez, in his Pythagoras, Bruno Galileo: The Pagan Heresies of the Copernicans, records 54 accusations of heresies and false philosophies dealt with in Bruno’s seven-year trial. They included that Bruno said the Scriptures were just a series of dreams, that humans existed before Adam and Eve, that there is no eternal Hell, that all go to Heaven eventually, that Moses was a wise magician, that Christ was one too, and that when Bruno was in prison he said many blasphemous things against Christ, like that as God, Jesus was a traitor who doesn’t govern the world well. Bruno was also accused of saying substance cannot be created or destroyed, that the universe is infinite, that there are many worlds with rational beings on them, that the Earth has a soul so therefore moves, and the soul of the universe is the Holy Spirit. We see then, what began with Copernicus’s moving Earth, other pagan heresies and false philosophies arose as a result. Bruno was burned at the stake in 1600 for refusing to repent some of his heresies lest they caused other souls to be lost to Hell. Nevertheless most of these pagan beliefs, under the disguise of empirical science, began to spread further abroad, becoming an integral part of the Renaissance and following it, the so-called Enlightenment of mankind.       

    Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

    The next Earthmover to emerge was the astronomer, philosopher and physicist Galileo Galilei, who, in his 1613 Letters on Sunspots, unequivocally asserted the Mediterranean tide proved the Earth spins and orbits a fixed-sun. In the  same year, Galileo wrote his Letter to Castelli that included:

    ‘The Holy Scriptures can never lie or err, and its declarations are absolutely and inviolably true. Though the Bible cannot err, nevertheless some of its interpreters and expositors can sometimes err in various ways. One of these would be very serious and very frequent, namely, to want to limit oneself always to the literal meaning of the words… It seems to me in disputes about natural phenomena, the Bible should be reserved to the last place… In order to adopt itself to the understanding of all people, it was appropriate for the Scripture to say many things that are different from absolute truth. Given this, and moreover it being obvious that two truths can never contradict each other, the task of wise interpreters is to strive to find the true meanings of Scriptural passages agreeing with those physical conclusions of which we are already certain and sure from clear sensory experience or from necessary demonstrations.’--- Galileo: Letter to Castelli, 1613.

    In 1615, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, in a letter to Fr Paolo Foscarini, wrote:

    ‘Nor may it be answered that this [geocentrism] is not a matter of faith, for if it is not a matter of faith from the point of view of the subject matter (ex parte objecti), it is a matter of faith on the part of the ones who have spoken (ex parte dicentis). It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the prophets and apostles.’

    In 1616, Galileo completed and expanded on his opinion, addressing it this time to the Grand Duchess Christina in which Galileo’s arrogance and pride in himself was manifest, and in which he again claimed that the Earth moved. In that same year, Pope Paul V and Cardinal Bellarmine - two of the Inquisition consultors at Bruno’s trial from 1593 to 1600 when this pagan heliocentric heresy was once again condemned - having consulted the astronomers of the 1616 Vatican if any proof for heliocentrism was true, were told absolutely not, they then asked theologians of the Holy Office to confirm the Church’s ruling on this matter as defined in the past. Hereunder the result:


    (1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [the denial of a revelation by God already defined as heresy] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by the Fathers and theologians.”
    (2) “That the Earth is not the centre of the world, and moves as a whole, and also with a diurnal movement,” was unanimously declared “to deserve the same censure philosophically, and, theologically considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

    On the 5th March 1616, Pope Paul V as Prefect of the Holy Office, ordered the above decree confirming it as a formal heresy, be made known to all, and that books and docuмents of the time presenting the heresy were to be banned and placed on the Index. Galileo, was warned by Cardinal Bellarmine and we believe Fr de Lauda of the Inquisition, never again to promote Biblical heliocentrism in any way. In 1621, Pope Paul V and Cardinal Bellarmine died. With both gone, Galileo bided his time waiting for the chance to challenge the ban on his heliocentrism as the true meaning of Scripture. This he did in his 1632 book Dialogue. After reading his book, the new pope, Urban VIII, a friend of Galileo’s, put him on trial in 1633 for disobedience and heresy. It was, Pope Urban VIII said, a matter that ‘put Christianity in danger.’ The Pope knew that if Galileo’s heliocentrism was spread throughout Christian lands, then other Pythagorean heresies and false philosophies would follow as a result. Knowing the consequences of being found guilty of heresy, Galileo, before the Inquisition in 1633, swore that he was never a convinced Earthmover, nor meant to present heliocentrism in his book as a certain truth.


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    Re: The Earthmovers
    « Reply #20 on: September 01, 2025, 08:51:16 AM »
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  • ...in a recent video they attacked and listed Flat Earthers, in their list of those who are in error, RIGHT ALONGSIDE the Modernist heretics who deny the inenerrancy of Sacred Scripture.

    Lad, do you have a link for that at all?  Was it a debate or were they just putting it out there?

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  • Pages 10-13
    Galileo on trial 1633

    ‘I, Galileo Galilei … having before my eyes the most holy Gospels, and touching them with my hands, swear that I always have believed, and now believe, and with God’s help will always believe, all that the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church holds, preaches, and teaches [Biblical geocentrism]…. and I swear for the future, I will neither say, nor assert by word of mouth, or in writing, anything to bring upon me similar suspicion [of heliocentrism].…So help me God, and His holy Gospels.’--- Galileo’s trial, 1633.

    Because he denied on oath to never having being an Earthmover at his trial, the Inquisition could only find Galileo guilty of ‘suspicion of heresy.’ He was then sentenced to house-arrest for the rest of his life, wherein he studied and wrote about physics and corresponded with friends in relative comfort, but never went public directly advocating heliocentrism again. His penance, the recitation of the allotted Psalms every day, was, due to blindness, taken up by Virginia, one of his two daughters (the other being Livia), both placed in a Poor Clares convent by their unmarried father at ages of 12 and 13. Virginia, who took the name Sister Marie Celeste, a saint by all accounts, gladly took it upon herself to say her father’s penance every day.

    Towards the end of his pontificate, it occurred to Pope Alexander VII (reign, 1655-1667), as guardian of the household of Israel, to compose and place before the faithful a new Index of prohibited books. Accordingly, he set to work with a specially chosen number of Cardinals; and in the March of 1664 prefaced by a Bull called Bullarium Romanum, wherein Pope Alexander VII describes the composition of his Index, and gives reasons for putting it forth.

    ‘“We, having taken the advice of our Cardinals, confirm, and approve with Apostolic authority by the tenor of these presents, and: command and enjoin all persons everywhere to yield to this Index a constant and complete obedience.” Turning to this Index, we find among the decrees the Pope caused to be added; the “Quia ad notitiam” of 1616; the “monitum” of 1620, declaring the principles advocated by Copernicus on the position and movement of the Earth to be “repugnant to Scripture and to its true and catholic interpretation;” the edict signed by Cardinal Robert Bellarmine prohibiting and condemning Kepler’s book in 1619; the edict of August 1634, prohibiting and condemning Galileo’s Dialogo; and under the heading “Libri,” we find: “Libri omnes docentes mobilitatem terræ, et immobilitatem solis, in decree 5 Martii, 1616.” These, therefore, were some of the things the Pope confirmed and approved with apostolic authority by the tenor of his Bull.’--- Rev. W. Roberts: The Pontifical Decrees against the Doctrine of the Earth’s Movement, and the Ultramontane defence of them, 1885.

    With the Copernican and Galilean Renaissance, there began a shift in philosophical thought, a move away from scholastic metaphysics towards, naturalism, scientism, secularism and atheism, but now backed up by what they claimed as scientific evidence that the supernatural geocentric universe of God’s immediate Creation of all was being proven false. These secular heliocentric metaphysics could be said to have advanced with the French ‘Catholic’ René Descartes (1596-1650), and continued by other seventeenth century philosophers known as the rationalists. Relying exclusively on human reasoning, the rationalists endeavoured to free ‘science’ from ‘the straightjacket of scholastic thought’ as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) had put it.

    As regards the Church’s censorship of books depicting heliocentrism as a Biblical truth, well that could only be imposed in those places where the Church ruled or had influence. Because the subject matter of the heresy was considered as a cosmological issue open to investigation, in certain countries and states, like Spain and England, the heresy was ignored, and attempts to prove the Earth moves were accelerated. In 1687, Isaac Newton (1643-1727) published his book Principia, a tome promoted by freemasons of the Royal Society of London as containing scientific ‘laws’ supposedly proving the evolution of a smaller orange-shaped Earth has to orbit around the bigger sun.

    ‘It is now often said that incontrovertible evidence for the Earth’s annual motion was not found until early in the 19th century, when high precision astronomical instruments first permitted detection of parallax of certain fixed stars. Such statements are titillating, but they misrepresent the grounds of scientific conviction. No scientist even then had lingering doubts he gave up at the time of those events. The issue of the Earth’s motions had been effectively settled for scientists by Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation, which linked innumerable astronomical measurements and the occurrence of tides to the existence of the Earth’s two motions.’---Stillman Drake. Galileo, Past Masters, 1980, p.55.

    Stillman Drake (1910-1993), ‘an ardent Catholic’ and historian of science, especially the Galileo case, awarded the Sapienza University Galileo Galilei Prize for the Italian History of Science, is but one of many who allude to the delusion, that Newton proved the bigger mass of the sun, causes a smaller, spinning and gyrating Earth, to orbit the sun. Newton’s theories of the mind, with his Earth bulging at the Equator, and its orbits based on Kepler’s ellipses, were then shown to be scientifically false by the astronomy and Earth measuring geodesy of Domenico Cassini (1625-1712). Catholic Cassini was Pope Alexander VII’s surveyor, the most capable astronomer ever to validate positional astronomy’s empirical observations. Cassini was later invited to became the first director of King Louis XIV of France’s Paris Observatory that used their knowledge of astronomy to assist priests convert foreign countries to Catholicism. Cassini’s orbit calculations of the universe, never falsified, were later found to be related to positive electromagnetic effects, confirming God’s creation of light in His universe on the first day of Creation.

    ‘Day 1: In the beginning God created Heaven, and Earth. And the Earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. And God said: Be light made. And light was made. And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness. And he called the light Day and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning.’-Genesis. 

    Cassini’s astronomy and geodesy, of course, were deliberately ignored by all to allow Newton’s mind theory of universal gravity to ‘prove’ heliocentrism. We see then, with freemasons now promoting a solar-system as proven, Satan’s ‘scientific’ change from the supernatural geocentric Creation to a secular natural heliocentric version of origins had progressed. The next ‘proof’ for heliocentrism was claimed in 1726 when a phenomenon called Stellar Aberration was found by the astronomer James Bradley (1693-1762), that is, all the stars are seen from Earth to move in small circles annually.

    ‘It was not until Copernicus had been some two hundred years in his grave that Bradley discovered the aberration of light, and converted, what had up to then been a more or less probable theory, into an incontrovertible fact.’--- Sir Bertram Windle, Ph.D: The Church and Science, Catholic Truth Society, 1917, p.93.

    The U-turn of Biblical Geocentrism Begins.

    In a geocentric universe, from Earth, the very same phenomenon will be seen, totally dismissing Windle’s Stellar Aberration as proof for heliocentrism. But with astronomers, philosophers and theologians, including the chief adviser to the Holy Office in 1741, the Jesuit Fr Pietro Lazzari, Professor of Church History at the Roman College, asserting that heliocentrism was proven true, they all put pressure on Pope Benedict XIV (1740-1758) to admit the Church was wrong in the Galileo case of 1616 and 1633 and to do something about it.

    Sixteen years later, on 16th April 1757, with the approval of Pope Benedict XIV, under the same delusion that the Earth orbits the sun was proven true, ordered the Holy Office to drop the post 1616 decrees prohibiting books, leaflets, articles etc., teaching on the Earth’s motion and the sun’s immobility from the Index. And so, the new Index no longer included this general prohibition, although for some reason or another, probably canonical, the original first five books banned for heresy written by Copernicus, Foscarini, Zúñiga, Kepler and Galileo were kept on Pope Benedict XIV’s 1758 Index.

    ‘It was not until 1757 that the Decrees of 1616 condemning Copernicanism were at last omitted from the Index of Prohibited Books… All this was held to be justified, in the eyes of the Roman authorities by the need to protect the ‘good name’ of the Congregation of the Holy Office and the Index, and indeed of the Church itself, and avoid the embarrassment of having to admit an error of judgment.’--- Cardinal Daly: The Minding of Planet Earth, Veritas, 2004, p.80.

    So began the retreat and pathetic excuses for the U-turn, a formal heresy one day, and a Biblical belief the next. This ‘proven’ heliocentrism then led on to the next pagan heresy with Kant’s and Laplace’s 1755-1796 assertion for a natural evolved solar system. Believing that the Church had made a terrible mistake with Biblical geocentrism, and in fear of making another such ‘scientific’ blunder, to protect ‘the good name of the Church,’ there was no papal decree condemning an evolved solar system as formal heresy this time. Slowly, the supernatural Creation was being replaced with a secular natural heretical version of origins within the Church, a change acknowledged herein.

    ‘This text Genesis has above all a religious and theological importance. There are not to be sought in it significant elements from the point of view of science…. Indeed, the theory of natural evolution, understood in a sense that does not exclude divine causality, is not in principle opposed to the truth about the creation of the visible world, as presented in Genesis.’--- L’Osservatore Romano, Feb. 3, 1986.

    In 1820, Pope Pius VII (reign 1800-1825) - on the advice of Friar Benedetto Olivieri (1769-1845), Commissary General of the Inquisition, whose report asserted that the heliocentrism of modern astronomers was proven, so could not be heretical - wanted the Index to be emptied of the last five heliocentric books in it. In his desperation to find a way out of this unprecedented Galileo affair and to protect the credibility of the 1616 irreversible Church teaching, Fr Olivieri wrote in his submission to the Holy Office that the heliocentrism condemned as formal heresy in 1616 was a violent-Earth one, but that the Earth spinning and orbiting the sun proven by astronomers by 1820 was a calm one, so not heretical. This of course was a manoeuvre by Fr Olivieri to try to find a way out of the dilemma facing churchmen at the time, and indeed of  Catholic doctrine itself. In truth of history, there was never a mention of a violent-Earth heresy by the early Church or in 1616 or 1633. That ploy was pure invention. But Friar Olivieri knew he had to find a way to accommodate the Church’s irreversible decree defining heliocentrism as formal heresy, while at the same time allowing the now believed ‘proven’ heliocentrism as the correct meaning to Scripture. Only a few in the Holy Office like Fr Filippo Anfossi (1748-1825) a Dominican friar, censor of the press in Rome, tried to stop Olivieri’s heliocentrism being accepted in 1820. Based on his faith alone that the 1616 decree was papal and that the Catholic Church could not have been proven wrong in its defined decrees, he defended the Church’s 1616 position. For this reason, we dedicated our book The Earthmovers in memory of Fr Anfossi, who tried to prevent heresy entering the womb of the Church.

    Fr Anfossi wrote: ‘Does he [Olivieri] want to be authorised to teach principles that are repugnant to Sacred Scripture and its true and Catholic interpretation, which is not to be tolerated at all in a Christian man and especially in a canon, and to teach them not as a hypothesis but as a thesis? If in the judgment of the Holy See it was contrary to Divine Scripture in 1616 [and before that], so it is still in 1820.’--Quote from Vatican Archives in M. A. Finocchiaro Retrying Galileo, p.206.

    Alas, Fr Anfossi was overruled. But more than that, the Congregation’s legal adviser Fr Turiozzi was then told to give Fr Anfossi the following order:

    ‘Their Eminences have decreed that, for the time being, now and in future, a license is not to be refused to the Masters of the Sacred Apostolic Palace for the printing and publication of works dealing with the mobility of the Earth and the immobility of the sun according to the common opinion of modern astronomers, on the basis of the decrees of the Sacred Congregation of the Index of 1758 and of this Supreme Holy Office of 1820.’---A. Favaro: Galileo, pp.30, 31.

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  • Earthmovers is a most worthy work which will go on increasing, even if its esteemed author must needs materially decrease.

    The entire church owes Friend Cassini Her gratitude, and, indeed, She will render his service to Her praise, in God's good time. Amen.

    After all this time I am left wondering as to why the incredibly great work The Earthmovers has never been published in book form but remains in PDF only.  Can you contact your friend cassini and ask him if he and or The Kolbe Center need funds to get the work in published in book form?


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  • After all this time I am left wondering as to why the incredibly great work The Earthmovers has never been published in book form but remains in PDF only.  Can you contact your friend cassini and ask him if he and or The Kolbe Center need funds to get the work in published in book form?

    Hi Mat183,  let me tell you the history of TE. I was 33 years studying the Galileo case and its aftermath. When I finished the book my son had 100 copies printed. Some of these were sent to friends interested in the subject matter. Most covered the cost. I never went any further than that, to get it published by some company. As a follower of Kolbe I sent a PDF to Owen to inform him that evolution is the child of heliocentrism. He read the book and offered improvements here and there. He asked if he could offer a PDF on Kolbe website. I said OK.
    After that I let things go until I was told by some who read the book there were chapters of science beyond the understanding of ordinary people. It was then I decided to edit TE and try to make it a little clearer and shorter. That I have nearly finished. Meanwhile I decided to write a mini version of 50 pages with emphasis on the religious end of the subject. Tomorrow I am collecting a 100 copies of the printed booklet.
    I still do not know where to go from here. I am talking to my sons as to what to do. With my diagnosis of MN I am further confused. I will finish the edited version soon of big 485 page TE.I would welcome any advice you can give  me Mat.




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  • Hi Mat183,  let me tell you the history of TE.
    I still do not know where to go from here. I am talking to my sons as to what to do. With my diagnosis of MN I am further confused. I will finish the edited version soon of big 485 page TE.I would welcome any advice you can give  me Mat.


    Thanks cassini for this well-reasoned informative reply.  I have been in contact with Hugh Owen at The Kolbe Center as regards funding but have not heard back from him as yet.  I will message you with my advice for whatever it may be worth to include a practical plan to get TE into book form and up on Amazon and other outlets.

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    Re: The Earthmovers
    « Reply #25 on: September 02, 2025, 08:12:37 AM »
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  • On a side note of some interest is the fact that Paula was a glober, not a flat earther.  In  GALILEO'S EMPIRICISM-AND BEYOND: she explicitly affirms Earth's sphericity: "The sphericity of the earth along with its being hung upon nothing (Job26:7) are proved beyond any shadow of doubt."
    Mat183, you kindly linked 1 and 2 parts of Paula Haigh's studies but I cannot see a link for the third: [size=-1]III. Was It / Is It Infallible?[/b][/font][/size]



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  • Mat183, you kindly linked 1 and 2 parts of Paula Haigh's studies but I cannot see a link for the third: [size=-1]III. Was It / Is It Infallible?[/b][/font][/size]

    Here it is:   by Paula Haigh

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    Re: The Earthmovers
    « Reply #27 on: September 02, 2025, 09:59:05 AM »
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  • Lad, do you have a link for that at all?  Was it a debate or were they just putting it out there?

    So that was on that series that appeared to have never been finished on the "Six Days of Creation".  I bought Day 1 and Day 2, but then 3-6 never materialized.  I inquried of them what had happened, but receive no response.  I wouldn't be suprised if Dr. Sungenis took a huge amount of heat for the "gigantic ice ball" theory, and so they pulled it.

    https://kolbecenter.org/htwwm/

    I thought this series had great promise (despite my disagreements), so I was very disappointed that they never finished it.

    What I'm referring to was the beginning of Day One, but it's behind a paywall.  They tried to present themselves as having a balanced view, and so they listed all the errors about Creation, and then list FE right alongside the Modernist heretics who deny the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, and that's ridiculous and offensive.  Those who accept the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, even in matters of science and history, are formally on the same side, even if they materially differ on the specifics of the interpretation.

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    Re: The Earthmovers
    « Reply #28 on: September 04, 2025, 09:39:09 AM »
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  • So that was on that series that appeared to have never been finished on the "Six Days of Creation".  I bought Day 1 and Day 2, but then 3-6 never materialized.  I inquried of them what had happened, but receive no response.  I wouldn't be suprised if Dr. Sungenis took a huge amount of heat for the "gigantic ice ball" theory, and so they pulled it.



    I would not be surprised either.  It may be why his book The First Four Days of Creation (which put forth the gigantic ice ball theory on Day One) appears to have gone out of print.

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    Re: The Earthmovers
    « Reply #29 on: September 04, 2025, 11:02:09 AM »
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  • So that was on that series that appeared to have never been finished on the "Six Days of Creation".  I bought Day 1 and Day 2, but then 3-6 never materialized.  I inquried of them what had happened, but receive no response.  I wouldn't be suprised if Dr. Sungenis took a huge amount of heat for the "gigantic ice ball" theory, and so they pulled it.

    https://kolbecenter.org/htwwm/

    I thought this series had great promise (despite my disagreements), so I was very disappointed that they never finished it.

    What I'm referring to was the beginning of Day One, but it's behind a paywall.  They tried to present themselves as having a balanced view, and so they listed all the errors about Creation, and then list FE right alongside the Modernist heretics who deny the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, and that's ridiculous and offensive.  Those who accept the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture, even in matters of science and history, are formally on the same side, even if they materially differ on the specifics of the interpretation.

    For the first time I watched this video. It was the subject of light that interested me.

    He hangeth the Earth upon nothing not to be moved.

    Upon what are its bases grounded. (Job 26; 7&38:6)

    ‘Day 1: In the beginning God created Heaven, and Earth. And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. And God said: Be light made. And light was made. And God saw the light that it was good; and he divided the light from the darkness. And he called the light Day and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.   

    St Basil (330AD-379AD), in his Hexaemeron, had explained why God created light before the sun. Light, as we know, is an effect of electromagnetism.


    ‘However, the sun and the moon did not yet exist, in order that those who live in ignorance of God may not consider the sun as the origin and father of light, or as the maker of all that grows out of the earth. That is why there was a fourth day, and then God said: “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven.”’ (Hm. VI:2)

    It is this light that gives colour to all in the universe as seen from Earth, from the clear blue sky of daytime to the multicoloured galaxies way out in space at nighttime. In similar manner, it is the sun’s light that causes the clouds to be coloured, the oceans to be blue, the forests to be green, and the deserts to be reddish yellow. It is direct light from the sun on Earth that provides the energy that plants use to produce sugars, mostly in the form of starches, which release energy into the living things that digest them. This process of photosynthesis provides virtually all the energy used by living flora. But more than this, for that same growth provides the oxygen that would mix with the nitrogen to provide the air necessary for life on Earth. In other words, when God created light, he not only provided the medium by which all with vision could see things, but He also provided one of the means whereby the Earth could supply perpetual growth and oxygen and thus sustain all life on it, especially mankind, for as long as He wills it to exist.

    Dominico Cassini’s calculations and measurements of the movements (orbits) of cosmic bodies were later found to be related to positive electromagnetic effects, confirming another effect of God’s creation of light in His universe on the first day of Creation. Cassini's ovals, the orbits of sun, planets and stars, are directly related to positive electromagnetic forces illustrated left below.




    Bottom right are all Cassinian ovals, all directly related to positive electromagnetic forces. That is the light God created on day 1. On day 4 He created the sun for light on Earth.
    Sungenis kind of got it wrong when he said the light became one in the sun.