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The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
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    This book sheds light on the cooperative efforts of nαzι Germany and the U.S.S.R. to systematically exterminate the elites of the Polish population in WWII.

    On March 15, 1940, in German-occupied Poznań, at a meeting of commanders of detention camps, SS Commander Heinrich Himmler stated: "All the professionals of Polish descent should be used in our defence industry. Later, all Poles will disappear from the world. ... It is therefore necessary that the great German nation focuses on annihilating all Poles.”

    The Third Reich planned to eliminate the Polish “leadership element” even before the outbreak of war. Proscription lists were drawn up with 80,000 Poles designated for elimination. The lists included e.g. political activists, former participants of anti-German risings in Silesia and Greater Poland in 1918–1921, leaders of civic organizations, teachers, Catholic priests, and judges. From the beginning of German occupation, these plans were carried out in two ways. Poles were either killed in mass executions or sent to cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs. The killings were carried out primarily by operational groups of the Security Police (Einsatzgruppen der Sipo) which entered into Polish territories  following the Wehrmacht units. Here, they were joined by Selbstschutz units, consisting of local Germans, led by SS officers who arrived from the Reich.

    As part of "political cleansing” of the territory, the Germans killed about 50,000 people. The mass deportation to cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs conducted in April and May 1940 encompassed more than 20,000 Poles.

    In 1939–1941, the Soviet authorities conducted very similar operations against Polish citizens in the occupied eastern areas of the Polish Republic. More than 100,000 people were arrested, and more than 300,000 deported to the east into the depths of the USSR. The memory of the Katyń Massacre and almost 22,000 Polish Army officers, policemen and political prisoners murdered by decision of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the VKP(b) of March 5, 1940, is still living among Poles.

    The occupiers were killing both those members of Polish elites who immediately resisted them, and those who posed even the slightest potential threat. In fact, the extermination attempted to transform the Polish nation into a cultureless society.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #1 on: September 04, 2021, 08:15:57 PM »
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  • What did Poland do to bring upon itself the horrific chastisement of being attacked on both sides by Germany and USSR?
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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #2 on: September 05, 2021, 09:21:44 AM »
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  • What did Poland do to bring upon itself the horrific chastisement of being attacked on both sides by Germany and USSR?
    Learn history. Poland attacked Germany first. Poland committed mass murders of Germans in Poland before Adolphus rightfully sent Germany into Poland to stop it and render justice. I don't have any German in me, but I still know this is true and I speak it with no bias. 

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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #3 on: September 05, 2021, 09:52:17 AM »
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  • Learn history. Poland attacked Germany first. Poland committed mass murders of Germans in Poland before Adolphus rightfully sent Germany into Poland to stop it and render justice. I don't have any German in me, but I still know this is true and I speak it with no bias.
    ^^^^^This.
    And remember, Poland lined up at Versailles after WWI to "ask" for German land. Germany took back what rightfully was theirs. Also, Poland invaded Czechoslovakia when Germany entered the Sudetenland that was also taken from Germany at Versailles. Poland had no business being there. 
    The treaty signed between Great Britain and Poland stipulated that if anyone made an act of war against Poland, Britain would stand with them. When Germany entered its former lands, the Soviets came in from the East. Britain declared on Germany, but not the Soviets. The Soviets were not part of the Allies until 2 years after the "invasion". 
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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2021, 01:58:26 PM »
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  • What did Poland do to bring upon itself the horrific chastisement of being attacked on both sides by Germany and USSR?
    My question was spiritual, why did God chastise Poland? What did Poland do to offend God so grievously that he would allow this chastisement?
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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #5 on: September 06, 2021, 09:13:11 AM »
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  • Learn history. Poland attacked Germany first. Poland committed mass murders of Germans in Poland before Adolphus rightfully sent Germany into Poland to stop it and render justice. I don't have any German in me, but I still know this is true and I speak it with no bias.
    This is the most asinine comment I have ever heard/read. What are the sources for your claim? Most people who live west of England do not know SH** about Poland and its history. All they know are the Polish jokes started and propagated by the Jєωs.

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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #6 on: September 06, 2021, 10:28:43 AM »
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  • My question was spiritual, why did God chastise Poland? What did Poland do to offend God so grievously that he would allow this chastisement?
    Looks like only wise Poles can answer that question, which makes sense, since it involves them. 
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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #7 on: September 06, 2021, 02:01:25 PM »
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  • Learn history. Poland attacked Germany first. Poland committed mass murders of Germans in Poland before Adolphus rightfully sent Germany into Poland to stop it and render justice. I don't have any German in me, but I still know this is true and I speak it with no bias.
    You are one stupid SOB.


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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #8 on: September 07, 2021, 01:41:57 PM »
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  • Learn history. Poland attacked Germany first. Poland committed mass murders of Germans in Poland before Adolphus rightfully sent Germany into Poland to stop it and render justice. I don't have any German in me, but I still know this is true and I speak it with no bias.
    Still waiting for those references, you contemptible person.

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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #9 on: September 07, 2021, 07:57:53 PM »
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  • Fantastic expose on Roosevelt and Poland.


    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html



     


    In addition, let's consider the Poles attitudes towards the Germans that has existed for centuries and how many Catholics acted there towards the Germans. BTW, making a blanket statement about an entire country's Catholicity is absurd.

    "Póki swiat swiatem, Polak Niemcowi nie bedzie bratem." This is a Polish proverb, and translated into English it means: "As long as the world will exist, the Pole will never be the German's brother."

    In 1990, the then Polish Prime Minister Lech Walesa made his feelings towards his German neighbors publicly known: "I do not even shrink from a statement that is not going to make me popular in Germany: if the Germans destabilize Europe anew, in some way or other, then partition is no longer what will have to be resorted to, but rather that country will have to be erased from the map, pure and simple. East and West have at their disposal the advanced technology necessary to carry this verdict out."

    Many years before the differences between Germany and Poland escalated to the point of no return, numerous diplomatic efforts were made by the German government to defuse the ever more dangerous situation the two countries were facing. These efforts were all rejected by Poland. One of them comes to mind: on January 6th, 1939, the German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop met with the Polish Foreign Minister Josef Beck in Munich to discuss the differences between the two countries. Von Ribbentrop proposed "the following solution: the return of Danzig to Germany. In return, all of Poland's economic interests in this region would be guaranteed, and most generously at that. Germany would be given access to her province of East Prussia by means of an extraterritorial highway and rail line. In return, Germany would guarantee the Corridor and the entire Polish status, in other words, a final and permanent recognition of each nation's borders." Beck replied: "For the first time I am pessimistic..." Particularly in the matter of Danzig I see 'no possibility of cooperation.'"

    A leading role in forging the public view in Poland is that of Church clergy there. To read what they taught her followers in Poland is truly blood-curdling. In 1922 the Polish Canon of Posen, prelate Kos, recited a song of hate which he had borrowed from a 1902 drama by Lucjan Rydel, "Jency" (The Prisoners): "Where the German sets down his foot, the earth bleeds for 100 years. Where the German carries water and drinks, wells are foul for 100 years. Where the German breathes, the plague rages for 100 years. Where the German shakes hands, peace breaks down. He cheats the strong, he robs and dominates the weak, and if there were a path leading straight to Heaven, he wouldn't hesitate to dethrone God Himself. And we would even see the German steal the sun from the sky." This is by no means a single, individual case. On August 26th, 1920, the Polish pastor in Adelnau said in a speech: "All Germans residing in Poland ought to be hanged." And another Polish proverb: "Zdechly Niemiec, zdechly pies, mala to roznica jest" - "A croaked German, is a croaked dog, is just a small difference"

    Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:

    "Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
    Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
    Gather hordes about yourselves. Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
    Loot and rob and burn! Let the enemies die a painful death.
    He that hangs the German dogs will gain God's reward.
    I, the provost, promise you shall attain Heaven for it.
    Every sin will be forgiven, even well-planned murder,
    If it promotes Polish freedom everywhere.
    But curses on the evil one who dares speak well of Germany to us.
    Poland shall and must survive. The Pope and God have promised it.
    Russia and Prussia must fall. Hail the Polish banner!
    So rejoice ye all: Polzka zyje, great and small!"

    Not only did some of the priests excel in rhetoric aimed at cultivating deadly hate against Germans during the pre-1939 years, they also prayed in their churches, "O wielk wojn ludów prosimy Cie, Panie! (We pray to you for the great War of Peoples, oh Lord!)"

    Sadly, they actively participated in murdering unsuspecting German soldiers. Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.' The war lasted only three short weeks, the German occupation lasted several years. This explains the extraordinary high number of priest-partisans who even were joined by bishops. Further back in history, we find that the Archbishop of Gnesen, around the turn of the 13th century, had the habit of calling the Germans 'dog heads'. He criticized a bishop from Brixen that he would have preached excellently, had he not been a dog-head and a German.

    What can one say of the hate that speaks from the pages of one of the more popular papers, the largest Polish newspaper Ilustrowany Kurjer Codzienny, which appeared on April 20th, 1929, in Cracow? "Away with the Germans behind their natural border! Let's get rid of them behind the Oder!" "Silesian Oppeln is Polish to the core; just as all of Silesia and all of Pomerania were Polish before the German onslaught!"

    "To absorb all of East Prussia into Poland and to extend our western borders to the Oder and Neisse rivers, that is our goal. It is within reach, and at this moment it is the Polish people's great mission. Our war against Germany will make the world pause in amazement."

    "There will be no peace in Europe until all Polish lands shall have been restored completely to Poland, until the name Prussia, being that of a people long since gone, shall have been wiped from the map of Europe, and until the Germans have moved their capital Berlin farther westwards."

    On October 1923, Stanislaus Grabski, who later was to become Minister of Public Worship and Instruction, announced: "We want to base our relations on love, but there is one kind of love for one's own people and another kind for strangers. Their percentage is decidedly too high here. Posen [which had been given to Poland after the First World War] can show us one way to reduce that percentage from 14% or even 20% to 1½%. The foreign element will have to see if it would not be better off elsewhere. The Polish land is exclusively for the Poles!"

     "(The Germans in Poland) are intelligent enough to realize that in the event of war no enemy on Polish soil will get away alive... The Führer is far away, but the Polish soldiers are close, and in the woods there is no shortage of branches."

    "We are ready to make a pact with the devil if he will help us in the battle against Germany. Hear - against Germany, not just against Hitler. In an upcoming war, German blood will be spilled in rivers such as all of world history has never seen before."

    "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe. It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories."

    Heinz Splittgerber, in his short book Unkenntnis oder Infamie?, quotes a number of Polish sources which reflect the atmosphere in Poland immediately before the hostilities commenced. On August 7th, 1939 the Ilustrowany Kurjer featured an article "which described with provocative effrontery how military units were continually foraying across the border into German territory in order to destroy military installations and to take weapons and tools of the German Wehrmacht back to Poland. Most Polish diplomats and politicians understood that Poland's actions would perforce lead to war. Foreign Minister Beck... tenaciously pursued the bloodthirsty plan of plunging Europe into another great war, since it would presumably result in territorial gains for Poland." He goes on to cite some 14 incidents where Polish soldiers aggressively crossed the border, destroying houses, shooting and killing German farmers and customs officers. One of them: "August 29th: "State Police Offices in Elbing, Köslin and Breslau, Main Customs Office in Beuthen and Gleiwitz: Polish soldiers invade Reich German territory, attack against German customs house, shots taken at German customs officials, Polish machine guns stationed on Reich German territory."
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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #10 on: September 10, 2021, 12:41:04 PM »
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  • The Poles really are a goofy blemish on the ass of the human species. 

    They steal, attack and mass murder Germans, then they cry "victim" when Germany rolls in to kick their ass. 

    A Pole ain't nothin' but an inside-out Jєω. 



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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #11 on: September 11, 2021, 08:10:10 AM »
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  • Germany had no interest in starting a war against Poland, England and France, quite on the contrary, the Reich made countless peace offers to England.



    You are one stupid SOB.
    Are you aware that people will not take you seriously when you just throw around insults?

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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #12 on: September 11, 2021, 09:46:33 AM »
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  • I must reply to the attacks against the Polish nation...as in any nationality there are those with their own agenda which goes against the good of the nation.First of all Our Lady is Queen of Poland and the love of Her is very visible to this day...Poland was a pawn in the Second World War and people are quite ignorant of history.  St. Maxilian prepared the Polish nation to the onslaught that was to befall them and many of his priests joined the underground forces, Fr. Victor Mroz, being one of them.  

    I find it very offensive that on a Catholic forum there are those who would maliciously tear down a Catholic Marian nation without truly knowing the history of Poland and its fight for sovereignty  and the Catholic Faith.

    I only pray that we here in North America will have the same steadfastness in the Faith and courage to defend our countries and the Faith in the face of we are about to undergo.

    May the Queen of Poland and Catholic nations be our guide. 

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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #13 on: September 11, 2021, 11:37:09 PM »
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  • The Poles really are a goofy blemish on the ass of the human species. 

    They steal, attack and mass murder Germans, then they cry "victim" when Germany rolls in to kick their ass.

    A Pole ain't nothin' but an inside-out Jєω.
    I am surprised you are not accusing Poles of orchestrating the Irish and the Armenian genocides? You know they did it, those darn untermenschen. And always remember, Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.

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    Re: The Destruction Of The Polish Elite. Operation AB – Katyn
    « Reply #14 on: September 11, 2021, 11:50:27 PM »
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  • Fantastic expose on Roosevelt and Poland.


    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html



     


    In addition, let's consider the Poles attitudes towards the Germans that has existed for centuries and how many Catholics acted there towards the Germans. BTW, making a blanket statement about an entire country's Catholicity is absurd.

    "Póki swiat swiatem, Polak Niemcowi nie bedzie bratem." This is a Polish proverb, and translated into English it means: "As long as the world will exist, the Pole will never be the German's brother."

    In 1990, the then Polish Prime Minister Lech Walesa made his feelings towards his German neighbors publicly known: "I do not even shrink from a statement that is not going to make me popular in Germany: if the Germans destabilize Europe anew, in some way or other, then partition is no longer what will have to be resorted to, but rather that country will have to be erased from the map, pure and simple. East and West have at their disposal the advanced technology necessary to carry this verdict out."

    Many years before the differences between Germany and Poland escalated to the point of no return, numerous diplomatic efforts were made by the German government to defuse the ever more dangerous situation the two countries were facing. These efforts were all rejected by Poland. One of them comes to mind: on January 6th, 1939, the German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop met with the Polish Foreign Minister Josef Beck in Munich to discuss the differences between the two countries. Von Ribbentrop proposed "the following solution: the return of Danzig to Germany. In return, all of Poland's economic interests in this region would be guaranteed, and most generously at that. Germany would be given access to her province of East Prussia by means of an extraterritorial highway and rail line. In return, Germany would guarantee the Corridor and the entire Polish status, in other words, a final and permanent recognition of each nation's borders." Beck replied: "For the first time I am pessimistic..." Particularly in the matter of Danzig I see 'no possibility of cooperation.'"

    A leading role in forging the public view in Poland is that of Church clergy there. To read what they taught her followers in Poland is truly blood-curdling. In 1922 the Polish Canon of Posen, prelate Kos, recited a song of hate which he had borrowed from a 1902 drama by Lucjan Rydel, "Jency" (The Prisoners): "Where the German sets down his foot, the earth bleeds for 100 years. Where the German carries water and drinks, wells are foul for 100 years. Where the German breathes, the plague rages for 100 years. Where the German shakes hands, peace breaks down. He cheats the strong, he robs and dominates the weak, and if there were a path leading straight to Heaven, he wouldn't hesitate to dethrone God Himself. And we would even see the German steal the sun from the sky." This is by no means a single, individual case. On August 26th, 1920, the Polish pastor in Adelnau said in a speech: "All Germans residing in Poland ought to be hanged." And another Polish proverb: "Zdechly Niemiec, zdechly pies, mala to roznica jest" - "A croaked German, is a croaked dog, is just a small difference"

    Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:

    "Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
    Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
    Gather hordes about yourselves. Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
    Loot and rob and burn! Let the enemies die a painful death.
    He that hangs the German dogs will gain God's reward.
    I, the provost, promise you shall attain Heaven for it.
    Every sin will be forgiven, even well-planned murder,
    If it promotes Polish freedom everywhere.
    But curses on the evil one who dares speak well of Germany to us.
    Poland shall and must survive. The Pope and God have promised it.
    Russia and Prussia must fall. Hail the Polish banner!
    So rejoice ye all: Polzka zyje, great and small!"

    Not only did some of the priests excel in rhetoric aimed at cultivating deadly hate against Germans during the pre-1939 years, they also prayed in their churches, "O wielk wojn ludów prosimy Cie, Panie! (We pray to you for the great War of Peoples, oh Lord!)"

    Sadly, they actively participated in murdering unsuspecting German soldiers. Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.' The war lasted only three short weeks, the German occupation lasted several years. This explains the extraordinary high number of priest-partisans who even were joined by bishops. Further back in history, we find that the Archbishop of Gnesen, around the turn of the 13th century, had the habit of calling the Germans 'dog heads'. He criticized a bishop from Brixen that he would have preached excellently, had he not been a dog-head and a German.

    What can one say of the hate that speaks from the pages of one of the more popular papers, the largest Polish newspaper Ilustrowany Kurjer Codzienny, which appeared on April 20th, 1929, in Cracow? "Away with the Germans behind their natural border! Let's get rid of them behind the Oder!" "Silesian Oppeln is Polish to the core; just as all of Silesia and all of Pomerania were Polish before the German onslaught!"

    "To absorb all of East Prussia into Poland and to extend our western borders to the Oder and Neisse rivers, that is our goal. It is within reach, and at this moment it is the Polish people's great mission. Our war against Germany will make the world pause in amazement."

    "There will be no peace in Europe until all Polish lands shall have been restored completely to Poland, until the name Prussia, being that of a people long since gone, shall have been wiped from the map of Europe, and until the Germans have moved their capital Berlin farther westwards."

    On October 1923, Stanislaus Grabski, who later was to become Minister of Public Worship and Instruction, announced: "We want to base our relations on love, but there is one kind of love for one's own people and another kind for strangers. Their percentage is decidedly too high here. Posen [which had been given to Poland after the First World War] can show us one way to reduce that percentage from 14% or even 20% to 1½%. The foreign element will have to see if it would not be better off elsewhere. The Polish land is exclusively for the Poles!"

    "(The Germans in Poland) are intelligent enough to realize that in the event of war no enemy on Polish soil will get away alive... The Führer is far away, but the Polish soldiers are close, and in the woods there is no shortage of branches."

    "We are ready to make a pact with the devil if he will help us in the battle against Germany. Hear - against Germany, not just against Hitler. In an upcoming war, German blood will be spilled in rivers such as all of world history has never seen before."

    "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe. It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories."

    Heinz Splittgerber, in his short book Unkenntnis oder Infamie?, quotes a number of Polish sources which reflect the atmosphere in Poland immediately before the hostilities commenced. On August 7th, 1939 the Ilustrowany Kurjer featured an article "which described with provocative effrontery how military units were continually foraying across the border into German territory in order to destroy military installations and to take weapons and tools of the German Wehrmacht back to Poland. Most Polish diplomats and politicians understood that Poland's actions would perforce lead to war. Foreign Minister Beck... tenaciously pursued the bloodthirsty plan of plunging Europe into another great war, since it would presumably result in territorial gains for Poland." He goes on to cite some 14 incidents where Polish soldiers aggressively crossed the border, destroying houses, shooting and killing German farmers and customs officers. One of them: "August 29th: "State Police Offices in Elbing, Köslin and Breslau, Main Customs Office in Beuthen and Gleiwitz: Polish soldiers invade Reich German territory, attack against German customs house, shots taken at German customs officials, Polish machine guns stationed on Reich German territory."

    Please provide sources for your write-up? There are so many errors in it and I will stop at that. God bless.