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Offline Franciscan Solitary

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The Apocalypse
« on: August 02, 2019, 09:44:21 PM »
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    • Four of the attached file texts below have been translated from the Spanish by this writer.  The first text listed below, The Apocalypse, has been slightly edited from an English-language original text.  They present the mainstream Roman Catholic understanding of our Catholic history over the past two thousand years as seen by the actual historic aristocratic leadership of our historic Church and State.  The Second Coming does inform Catholic history, and is an Article of the Faith.    
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 10:47:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: On the Last Judgment.pdf
    When speaking of the Last Judgment, we know that it begins with the Judgment of the Living, the First Resurrection and the Messianic Kingdom on earth; and that in the final stage, after the Universal or General Second Resurrection, everyone left dead (after this First Resurrection) is resurrected to be judged.

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    Fr. Basilio Méramo Bogota, June 27, 2019

    The Church has never expected a "Messianic Kingdom on earth". The Church prays for Our Lord to return and not for any freemasonic or Jєωιѕн clone of King Solomon.
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2019, 11:38:47 AM »
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    • Mr. Struthio,

    Please read the enclosed texts with utmost care.  They precisely insist that the Kingship of Our Lord is not worldly and can never be "of this world" in any way whatsoever.  That grave error is exactly the false understanding of the Novus Ordo Anti-Church that the attached files, with their extraordinariluy traditional understanding of Our Lord's Kingship, seek to refute.  And all of the orthodox Catholics have always agreed that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is emphatically the Messianic Kingdom of Christ on earth.  The nuance of difference among us has simply been whether this omnipotent Messianic Kingdom of God Almighty on earth might change somewhat in character after the Word of God has been successully preached throughout the world to the entire human race.  As is said:

    “Then we who are alive, the living who remain, shall be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet Christ, in the air, and thus shall we be always with the Lord.”  (1 Thessalonians 4:17) 

    Let us not underestimate the Triune God.  He is entirely capable of fulfilling the unanimous expectation of the early Roman Catholic Church of the first five centuries A.D.  And the predominant hope and expectation of the great poets and heroes of Catholicism ever since then.  Let us not foolishly minimise Our Lord as the Pharisees do.

    MARANATHA!

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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2019, 08:19:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Franciscan Solitary
    And all of the orthodox Catholics have always agreed that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is emphatically the Messianic Kingdom of Christ on earth.

    In this case it should be easy for you to provide a quote from a Pope, a Council, ... who calls the Church "the Messianic Kingdom of Christ on earth" or equivalent.


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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2019, 10:49:14 PM »
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    • Christ’s kingdom, as He told Pilate, is not of this world (and will never be).  The social kingship of Christ is not the same as the heretical, Protestant “messianic kingdom”, which no Church Father or Apostle ever taught.  The social kingship of Christ will be fulfilled through the Church and the papacy, before the end of the world, as St Paul tells us, when there will be “one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism.”
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2019, 02:51:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 03, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
    In this case it should be easy for you to provide a quote from a Pope, a Council, ... who calls the Church "the Messianic Kingdom of Christ on earth" or equivalent.

    Many such quotes are provided in the attached files provided directly above on this thread in this Cathinfo Library.  Please study them with great care and close attention.  A general approach to this vast topic might be that Christ and Messiah are synonyms and therefore Christian and Messianic are also synonyms.  "The Messianic Kingdom of Christ on earth" is equivalent to saying "the Christian Kingdom of Christ on earth".  This is simply the institutional structure of the Catholic laity within the Catholic Church, also known as the Catholic State and, in sum, the Universal (or Catholic) Empire of Christ the King on earth.

    Surely the sovereignty of God is not in question among us.  Divine Providence is also an Article of our Faith.  There can be no exceptions to the universal power and authority of the Almighty Christ the King, with both His mercy and His justice in a perfect and mysterious harmony that is never arbitrary (as in Islam) or cruel (as among the Protestants).

    How His Universal Kingship comes to be exercised on earth the same as it is in Heaven is the burden of the apocalyptic theme in this Cathinfo Library thread.  But that the Catholic laity has every right to constitute the Catholic State as the only possible fully legitimate temporal authority and power on earth is an elementary truth that ought not be doubted.
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #6 on: August 04, 2019, 06:08:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Franciscan Solitary on August 04, 2019, 02:51:54 AM
    Quote from: Struthio
    In this case it should be easy for you to provide a quote from a Pope, a Council, ... who calls the Church "the Messianic Kingdom of Christ on earth" or equivalent.

    Many such quotes are provided in the attached files provided directly above [...]

    Well, in this case it should be still easier for you to provide one.

    The fact that you don't speaks against you.


    Quote from: Franciscan Solitary
    They precisely insist that the Kingship of Our Lord is not worldly and can never be "of this world" in any way whatsoever.

    How is procreation not of this world?

    Quote from: On the Last Judgment.pdf
    [...] initiating the Messianic Kingdom of Christ the King on earth and the wayfarers (the derelicti, survivors, those who remain, the remnant) who come from the Hebrews, from the Gentiles and altogether from the Christians, who will procreate holy sons and will not die but reign with Christ the King as one and single Pastor over one single flock [...]

    Fr. Basilio Méramo Bogota, June 27, 2019
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #7 on: August 04, 2019, 02:44:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 04, 2019, 06:08:55 AM
    Many such quotes are provided in the attached files provided directly above [...]


    Well, in this case it should be still easier for you to provide one.

    The fact that you don't speaks against you.


    How is procreation not of this world?

    We digress.  The time for ad hominems is long past.  Let us humbly read and contemplate the powerful and strongly imaginative Catholic docuмents at the head of this thread.  This is the Cathinfo Library; not the place for unproductive blogging.

    God bless everyone.

    :pray: :pray: :pray:
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2019, 01:35:40 AM »
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    • Pardon my ignorance but is Fr. Meramo a recognised authority that elicits OP's respect?  I found a letter of his written to Bishop Fellay with his name and station at the bottom on TIA :
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f030ht_OpenLetterSSPX.htm
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #9 on: September 19, 2019, 04:13:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: donkath on September 19, 2019, 01:35:40 AM
    Pardon my ignorance but is Fr. Meramo a recognised authority that elicits OP's respect?  I found a letter of his written to Bishop Fellay with his name and station at the bottom on TIA :
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f030ht_OpenLetterSSPX.htm

    In truth Padre Méramo is certainly among the foremost Catholic scholars currently writing in the Spanish-speaking world.  The quality of his scholarship is exceptionally high.  The best praise this writer can give him is that Padre Méramo is also at present much feared and calumniated by the powerful Novus Ordo in Columbia.  His radio sermons are heard widely through South America and his close collaboration with Archbishop Lefebvre from the early days of the S.S.P.X. has already made him a legend in his own time.
    May this writer's translations of these several mighty essays from the Spanish be perhaps a little worthy of this great and holy priest of the Church of Rome.

       
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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #10 on: September 19, 2019, 05:10:09 AM »
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    • It good news to hear that there is a priest preaching the truth in South America.  It is time to prepare and make reparations for all of us.   

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    Re: The Apocalypse
    « Reply #11 on: September 19, 2019, 09:17:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Franciscan Solitary on September 19, 2019, 04:13:45 AM
    In truth Padre Méramo is certainly among the foremost Catholic scholars currently writing in the Spanish-speaking world.  The quality of his scholarship is exceptionally high.  The best praise this writer can give him is that Padre Méramo is also at present much feared and calumniated by the powerful Novus Ordo in Columbia.  His radio sermons are heard widely through South America and his close collaboration with Archbishop Lefebvre from the early days of the S.S.P.X. has already made him a legend in his own time.
    May this writer's translations of these several mighty essays from the Spanish be perhaps a little worthy of this great and holy priest of the Church of Rome.

      
    Thank you.
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