Author Topic: St. Alphonsus on Alcohol (Read 464 times)

DirigeNos · « **Reply #10 on:** **Yesterday** at 09:24:17 PM »

Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 07:56:15 AM

Good post. Many trads inexplicably refuse to apply this reasoning to cannabis use as well

IIRC there are three stages of drunkenness: physical impairment--->partial mental impairment--->total mental impairment/loss of reason.

The third being a mortal sin if reached deliberately or through willful negligence. The first and second are generally not unless there are aggravating circuмstances such as someone who is prone to commit mortal sins while partially impaired, like sins against the 6th/9th commandments, blasphemy, violence, etc

I think alcohol and marijuana are two different animals. If we're talking about recreational marijuana (not medical varieties for pain management), it's hard to reason how it could only be venially sinful. You can get a high from just one inhalation (so I assume. I've never tried it.) and is that not the only reason for using it? For the high? With alcohol, there is a partial state of loss of reason before the full mortally sinful state of drunkenness. With marijuana, you go straight to the state of mental impairment. Anyway, the article below explains it well.

I really don't understand how a lot of traditional Catholics exonerate the use of pot for relaxation. (even some priests think it is fine or use it). It's a drug like any other. I think it causes much damage to souls, and to society as a whole.

It's not the same as having a glass of wine or a cigarette/cigar/pipe. And obviously it is not the same as Pope St Pius X's "snuff box" which didn't give him a high. I believe that was just powdered tobacco.

https://sspx.org/en/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-4931

SimpleMan · « **Reply #11 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:51:13 PM »

I don't drink, maybe a beer once or twice a year, the same with a shot of bourbon maybe on Father's Day or Christmas. It's something that's just not part of my life, not for any bad reason, just my choice.

A glass of red wine with lasagna is good.

Godefroy · « **Reply #12 on:** **Today** at 07:32:39 AM »

Quote from: Giovanni Berto on Yesterday at 09:17:17 PM

It seems to me that almost all Americans have some degree of Puritanism, whether they are Catholic or not.

You are French, aren't you? At what age do you start drinking wine during meals? I like to learn about different customs.

I once flew on an Air France plane, and they give you a little bottle of wine to drink with your on air meal. Quite amusing to me. The wine was good for my uneducated taste.

Almost all teenagers drink wine on Sunday with their family.

25 years ago I went to an all inclusive Club Med holiday in Corfu for the under 35s. The buffet lunches included unlimited wine and you just had to go back to refill the half litre jug every when needed. Despite this, I don't recall any drunken behavior, but the wine really made for some merry mealtimes.

I contrast this with my time in the UK, when last orders, at 10:40 before the 11:00 PM pub closing time, was announced by a bell ring followed by a pavlovian charge of people heading to the bar to get in a few pints. Then at 11:20 PM, simultaneously all across the country, millions of drunks were sent out in the streets. At over 5 £ a pint today, this 'culture' has pretty much ceased.

icarlytradcath · « **Reply #13 on:** **Today** at 08:10:22 AM »

Quote from: DirigeNos on Yesterday at 09:24:17 PM

I think alcohol and marijuana are two different animals. If we're talking about recreational marijuana (not medical varieties for pain management), it's hard to reason how it could only be venially sinful. You can get a high from just one inhalation (so I assume. I've never tried it.) and is that not the only reason for using it? For the high? With alcohol, there is a partial state of loss of reason before the full mortally sinful state of drunkenness. With marijuana, you go straight to the state of mental impairment. Anyway, the article below explains it well.

I really don't understand how a lot of traditional Catholics exonerate the use of pot for relaxation. (even some priests think it is fine or use it). It's a drug like any other. I think it causes much damage to souls, and to society as a whole.

It's not the same as having a glass of wine or a cigarette/cigar/pipe. And obviously it is not the same as Pope St Pius X's "snuff box" which didn't give him a high. I believe that was just powdered tobacco.

https://sspx.org/en/news/smoking-marijuana-sin-4931

This article is odd because he first says

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When this deprivation is complete, e.g., actions totally contrary to normal behavior, incapability of distinguishing between good and evil, etc., it is a grave sin. “In vino veritas,” said the Romans, not without reason. Any state short of complete drunkenness, without sufficient reason, is of itself venially sinful, but even in this case it may be a mortal sin if it causes scandal, injury to health, harm to one’s family, etc.

and then

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The distinction is made between imperfect drunkenness, the fact of making oneself tipsy deliberately, which can only be a venial sin, and perfect drunkenness, which is drinking until one is drunk.

He seems to forget the definition he gave and reverts to the popular but wrong idea that being tipsy is venial and moderately drunk mortal.

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