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Sacrament of Baptism Defense Article
« on: August 08, 2016, 01:06:40 PM »
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  • Defending the Sacrament of Baptism

    I found this on the internet at this address:

    http://www.catholicessentials.net/baptismofdesire.htm

    It says: Baptism of desire is one of two possible substitutes for baptism of water and continues with this: An heathen, believing, even though in a confused way, in a God whose will should be done and desiring to do that will whatever it may be, probably has Baptism of desire. It may reasonably be assumed that vast numbers of persons unbaptized by water have thus been rendered capable of enjoying the Beatific Vision.

    So, the vast number of heathens (a vast majority?), even though in a confused way, believe in God, probably  get bod and are saved?  So most men are saved, except, perhaps, Jeffry Dahmer, Hillary Clinton and Obama?  That is an outrage. Bod proponents will quickly argue with those who do not believe in baptism of desire, but only casually address the outrageous claims about bod such as the above. No worries, it doesn't work that way, it works this way (whatever the person talking thinks) Bod'ers say baptism is necessary and follow it with a 'but'. They say the Church is necessary and they follow it with a 'but'. Their stupid 'but' denies everything preceding it!

    Bod'ers almost never confront the wide speculations about bod, and if they do, its "well, those people are wrong to think that" and they're done.  Yet, they insist everyone must believe in bod. Period. Even if they do challenge sometimes the wide speculative scope people's minds extend for bod, how can they eradicate what millions of others hold in their own mind? Especially when the lines are so blurry, so intangible? The wide and varying beliefs in bod cannot be effectively challenged because once you open the door to 'desire' sanctifying a person, all bets are off. Who can know the mind of bod recipient or believer?  How can you know the mind of God?  People now think to themselves: God is invisible. His actions are invisible. He is merciful.  We'll count on Him. He wants all men saved. All you gotta do is believe. If one has some kind of faith in God, they get bod, and they are saved!

    This is so Protestant! It is an astounding false doctrine and it is condemned.  And if you believe in bod, you will eventually agree that this opinion is ok, but maybe you just don't hold it yourself.  Abortion is fine for someone else, but not me.  OUTRAGEOUS!

    Dying outside the Church, mostly wanting to do God's will, without the sacrament of baptism, is apparently sufficient for salvation these days as long as the guy desires it. Why bother with the formalities of baptizing? Because baptism is better? So now we have a good way of being saved and a better way of being saved? Does it matter Christ said water and the Holy Ghost are necessary for salvation? Or that the Church is necessary? Or are we to believe baptism isn't really, actually, absolutely, positively necessary but... desire alone is? If we say baptism is only the more assured way, but not necessary, who in this day and age will need bother with the better way when they got the good way? So, the conditions of water and the Holy Ghost for salvation have been changed to: desire for salvation = salvation.

    Bod'ers still insist Catholics must believe in bod and even say it is doctrine. Doctrine? We must have confidence in doctrine, right? So if we believe in bod, should we not have confidence in bod? How do I have confidence in what is tantamount to some heathen's belief and desire? I guess I'll just trust that all may be taken care of because I must have confidence in bod! If some iffy belief and a hap hazard desire can get someone to heaven, water and the Holy Ghost are only superfluous...because the enigmatic 'desire', so much broader and intangible, does the same thing as water and the Holy Ghost.  Baptism is granted to those with a confused belief and a heathen's desire? What are these except the very extremes of lukewarmness and unknowing?

    Who cares about extremes, the description above (on a Catholic page no less) includes them.  People include them all the time.  Even if someone admonishes people that they are unlikely, hopes in such nonsense remains and the Faith is weakened or even destroyed in the vortex of laxity.

    The whole premise of bod is faulty. When are circuмstances ever beyond God's control? Because of the lack of water?  No one to baptize? That means, that for those potential recipients God commanded an impossibility. And we know God does not command impossibilities.

    If God wants someone saved, He gets them to the waters of baptism, by extending the person's life, providing the water and the baptizer. A miracle is a miracle, we don't have to make it easier on God with some ridiculous new fangled non baptism. God IS God. So we don't have to enhance the requirements for salvation because God might lose someone before their time.  No one dies on God.  God is the author of all life and death. It is a despicable thing to intimate that there are circuмstances beyond God that necessitate denying the necessity of baptism.  That is blasphemy!

    Baptism of desire undermines Baptism, the Catholic Faith, the Words of Christ, the missionary mandate, all in the name of impossibilities God found insurmountable?  Baptism of desire is not baptism, it is no baptism, it is heresy, blasphemy and an insult to the Catholic Church and the most necessary Sacrament of Baptism.