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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Periti of Vatican II
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2024, 08:34:38 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 29, 2024, 08:05:36 AM
Rahner remarked after the Council that its most revolutionary aspect was related to EENS, an "increased hope of salvation" for non-Catholics ... and yet none of the conservative Fathers even noticed it.  It was the foundation for the entire new ecclesiology.  Since you can't deny that "No Salvation Outside the Church" is defined dogma (three times at least), the only way to accomplish this is by redefining "Church" and expanding it to be able to include non-Catholics.
But Pius 12th defined that only those Baptised and profess the true faith are members of the Body of Christ (the Church)...
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Periti of Vatican II
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2024, 09:03:44 AM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on January 29, 2024, 08:34:38 AM
But Pius 12th defined that only those Baptised and profess the true faith are members of the Body of Christ (the Church)...

That's nothing new, but they get around it by claiming you can be "in" the Church without being a member of the Church.  That is what I have referred to as Mgr. Fenton's "undigested hamburger" ecclesiology, where something can be IN the body without being part OF the body.
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Offline Soubirous

Re: Periti of Vatican II
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2024, 10:20:47 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 29, 2024, 08:06:03 AM
No mention of Fr. John Courtney Murray, SJ?

Line 348 in the spreadsheet. Column B is sorted on the Latin first name (as from the Vatican data), thus "Murray, Ioannes" appears next in sequence after "Murray, Eduardus".
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Offline Soubirous

Re: Periti of Vatican II
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2024, 10:22:45 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 29, 2024, 09:03:44 AM
That's nothing new, but they get around it by claiming you can be "in" the Church without being a member of the Church.  That is what I have referred to as Mgr. Fenton's "undigested hamburger" ecclesiology, where something can be IN the body without being part OF the body.

That's a vivid image... apt metaphor for didactic purposes.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Periti of Vatican II
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2024, 03:45:17 PM »
Quote from: Soubirous on January 29, 2024, 10:20:47 AM
Line 348 in the spreadsheet. Column B is sorted on the Latin first name (as from the Vatican data), thus "Murray, Ioannes" appears next in sequence after "Murray, Eduardus".

I only looked in what was posted here as well as the subsequent summary posted by "Twice dyed", and he wasn't on there.  To me, he's a rather notable figure, having produced several drafts of what would become the infamous Dignitatis Humanae.
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