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Re: Nefarious movie
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2024, 05:50:24 AM »
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    I liked it overall, but I thought the first half was much better than the second.

    I thought it was funny how the movie is based on a book that is then pitched to you at the end of the movie. :laugh1:

    I didn't like how they really wanted you to feel sorry for the possessed man despite the demon explaining early on that he had to be a willing participant in order to become / remain possessed.
    The old " devil made me do it " is a bunch of accountability avoidance crap.

    If this guy killed one of my family members, you think I want to hear that bs?

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #46 on: January 27, 2024, 08:13:10 AM »
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  • Yeah, Beck almost ruined the movie.  If I watch it again, I would stop before it gets to that point.

    To paraphrase Gollum from the Lord of the Rings:  "The fat one; he ruins it."  :laugh1:

    Sometimes Trads drive me nuts. Several members have complained about Beck in this thread. To those members: what IS your problem with Glenn Beck? I'm not saying you have to become a Mormon, or start sending him financial support, but do we really need to dislike him that much? He's a conservative talk show host. Doesn't he get a lot of things right about the things he talks about? Politics, current events, etc.?

    Just because he's not awake to the JQ he's completely useless? Is that it?

    Glenn Beck's existence, his work, and his continued "sucking of air" doesn't bother me ONE BIT. I'm not in his target audience, I know more than he does, he's not my cup of tea -- but he doesn't bother me. Actually Taylor Marshall's "apostolate" bothers me MUCH MUCH more, because he is supposed to be conservative/Trad Catholic, and he has no place teaching people, despite his Episcopalian clergy background. He is just a layman.

    Maybe it's because Beck is not attempting to be a religious leader for Traditional Catholics. He is just working as a talk show host -- which is perfectly suitable for laymen. Taylor Marshall however attempts to be a "religious leader" and spokesman for conservative if not Traditional Catholicism. And like a priest, he seeks financial support from laymen as if he works in the Lord's vineyard. Hey, go get ordained and then we'll talk! In my book, there is only ONE kind of "religious leader" for a Catholic and they all go by "Father", "Your Excellency" or higher titles. Marshall only woke up himself a few years ago, and now he's an "expert" and teacher of men. Ugh. He's not part of the Ecclesia Docens, so he shouldn't pretend to be. If he limited himself to teaching politics/current events/news issues, like Beck or other talk show hosts, I wouldn't have a problem with him. Anyhow, back to the subject at hand...

    One thing I've been fully convinced of, is that Trads are SUPER PICKY and can never be pleased with anything short of a Traditional Catholic saint. They find fault with EVERYTHING and it can be quite annoying to those with less than 100% "blackpilled" negativity flowing in their veins. Those with a touch of optimism left.

    In other words, it's annoying how many Trads are blackpilled. They think it's over, there are no good guys, they give up on everyone and everything. These same Trads usually have no heroes in the Trad movement either, because they have such a CRITICAL SPIRIT they tear apart everything and everyone, even those within their own movement. You just can't please them.

    It's a good thing I know that these negative Trads are a minority, AND such negativity is not essential to being Traditional Catholic or it would be very discouraging.
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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #47 on: January 27, 2024, 08:23:42 AM »
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  • Glenn Beck tells serious lies.
     The last time I watch his show when the Ukraine war started, everything he said was correct, but the poison was in the premise was that "Russia invaded for no reason as an aggressor"  which was totally false and that lie colored everything else stated about Ukraine.
    He is zionist run so I can't take him seriously - he's terribly compromised.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #48 on: January 27, 2024, 08:28:24 AM »
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  • Glenn Beck tells serious lies.
     The last time I watch his show when the Ukraine war started, everything he said was correct, but the poison was in the premise was that "Russia invaded for no reason as an aggressor"  which was totally false and that lie colored everything else stated about Ukraine.
    He is zionist run so I can't take him seriously - he's terribly compromised.

    Maybe ignorance is bliss.

    I haven't watched Glenn Beck myself. I've only caught bits and pieces of his voice in different contexts. I know OF him, but like most talk show hosts I don't spend any time listening to them. I'm not part of their target audience. 

    Once you know about the JQ, you're going to know more (have more of the truth) than most of these talk show hosts, and then their errors -- the parts they DON'T get right -- are only going to annoy you.
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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #49 on: January 27, 2024, 09:23:40 AM »
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  • Sometimes Trads drive me nuts. Several members have complained about Beck in this thread. To those members: what IS your problem with Glenn Beck? I'm not saying you have to become a Mormon, or start sending him financial support, but do we really need to dislike him that much? He's a conservative talk show host. Doesn't he get a lot of things right about the things he talks about? Politics, current events, etc.?

    So, in the context of this movie, my problem with Beck was just that the stupid interview segment basically ruined the movie.  It was ridiculously cheesy and took the movie from being a solid move into the typical Protestant cheese-land, ala the "Left Behind" movies.

    Otherwise, he's virulently pro-Israel, was very anti-Trump (including his famous cheetos-face schtick) ... so typical fake neocon, but my criticism of Beck in the move wasn't in that regard, just that the entire segment ruined the movie, IMO.


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #50 on: January 27, 2024, 09:43:19 AM »
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  • So, in the context of this movie, my problem with Beck was just that the stupid interview segment basically ruined the movie.  It was ridiculously cheesy and took the movie from being a solid move into the typical Protestant cheese-land, ala the "Left Behind" movies.
    I thought it went downhill way before that last scene. It was solid up until the abortion phone call, but started to fall apart after that.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #51 on: January 27, 2024, 09:52:30 AM »
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  • Trads are SUPER PICKY and can never be pleased with anything short of a Traditional Catholic saint. They find fault with EVERYTHING and it can be quite annoying to those with less than 100% "blackpilled" negativity flowing in their veins. 
      Yup. Not exactly a quality that will lead one to heaven.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #52 on: January 27, 2024, 10:07:39 AM »
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  • OK, I understand what you're saying, Matthew, about some Trads being extremely picky.  I've been annoyed by the attacks on +Vigano, Shia LaBeouf, etc.  But I'm also not going to say that Glenn should be nominated for an academy award in the movie when his segment stunk and added the Prot "cheese" element into what I considered an otherwise-fantastic movie.  I passed over the fact that there was no reference to Our Lady, but pointed out the positive elements, some of which were surprisingly Catholic.  I stated that I didn't find anything in there contrary to Catholic faith, even if there were some gaps.

    With that said, there's a difference between Trads being extremely picky (going after +Vigano, LaBeouf, etc. for every perceived fault or imperfection) ... and being critical of Glenn Beck who's virulently pro-Zionist, despised Trump for the wrong reasons, etc.

    Even then, I would have given him a pass for just being in the movie ... except that I felt that his segment in the movie dramatically reduced the quality of the entire thing.  So it was from the perspective of "movie critic" only.


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #53 on: January 27, 2024, 01:39:07 PM »
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  • OK, I understand what you're saying, Matthew, about some Trads being extremely picky.  I've been annoyed by the attacks on +Vigano, Shia LaBeouf, etc.  But I'm also not going to say that Glenn should be nominated for an academy award in the movie when his segment stunk and added the Prot "cheese" element into what I considered an otherwise-fantastic movie.  I passed over the fact that there was no reference to Our Lady, but pointed out the positive elements, some of which were surprisingly Catholic.  I stated that I didn't find anything in there contrary to Catholic faith, even if there were some gaps.

    With that said, there's a difference between Trads being extremely picky (going after +Vigano, LaBeouf, etc. for every perceived fault or imperfection) ... and being critical of Glenn Beck who's virulently pro-Zionist, despised Trump for the wrong reasons, etc.

    Even then, I would have given him a pass for just being in the movie ... except that I felt that his segment in the movie dramatically reduced the quality of the entire thing.  So it was from the perspective of "movie critic" only.

    Ok, fair enough.
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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #54 on: January 27, 2024, 01:43:53 PM »
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  • Here's a thought --

    Some of us might be tempted to think it's ONLY an issue of "well, the movie didn't violate anything theologically"

    BUT what about all the things it DID state -- ideas and truths that never get said these days?

    For Ladislaus and myself, such facts about theology and the supernatural are a given -- about as exciting as 2+2 = 4.
    But what about people who have never heard these concepts? It might seem ground breaking for them, to hear such truths.

    That's what I think was best about this movie. It was a very accurate portrayal of demonic malice and evil. And they got all their theology right.

    The only flaw was they make the possessed man seem like a pure victim, as if he didn't cooperate at all during his whole life's path of evil. On the contrary, the devil had to have many CHOICES from the man, decisions of his own free will, before he could go to the next step. That is also very realistic.

    To get to death row, that "victim" committed a long line of evil acts, mortal sins, with his own free will with full deliberation. That is how he became possessed in the first place. He might have been sad, or cried -- but so did Judas. There's repentance unto conversion and salvation (like St. Peter), and then there's fruitless regret and despair (like Judas). Both involve bad emotions, regret, fear, sadness, etc. but they are fundamentally different.
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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #55 on: January 27, 2024, 05:30:25 PM »
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  • The only flaw was they make the possessed man seem like a pure victim, as if he didn't cooperate at all during his whole life's path of evil. On the contrary, the devil had to have many CHOICES from the man, decisions of his own free will, before he could go to the next step. That is also very realistic.

    To get to death row, that "victim" committed a long line of evil acts, mortal sins, with his own free will with full deliberation. That is how he became possessed in the first place. He might have been sad, or cried -- but so did Judas. There's repentance unto conversion and salvation (like St. Peter), and then there's fruitless regret and despair (like Judas). Both involve bad emotions, regret, fear, sadness, etc. but they are fundamentally different.
    Yes, if you contrast the prisoner with the other main character, you can see how we shouldn't feel sorry for Edward. James of his own free will actively sought the death of 2 individuals and yet with the simple utterance of "help me, God" was freed from his very brief possession. So, Edward is at least as evil as James and completely unrepentant.


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #56 on: January 28, 2024, 05:35:42 AM »
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  • Maybe ignorance is bliss.

    I haven't watched Glenn Beck myself. I've only caught bits and pieces of his voice in different contexts. I know OF him, but like most talk show hosts I don't spend any time listening to them. I'm not part of their target audience.

    Once you know about the JQ, you're going to know more (have more of the truth) than most of these talk show hosts, and then their errors -- the parts they DON'T get right -- are only going to annoy you.
    I think they know obviously, this guy has been around " the business" a long time.

    But he also knows who writes his checks, so he'll only push it so far.


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #57 on: January 28, 2024, 07:26:42 AM »
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  • The only flaw was they make the possessed man seem like a pure victim, as if he didn't cooperate at all during his whole life's path of evil. On the contrary, the devil had to have many CHOICES from the man, decisions of his own free will, before he could go to the next step. That is also very realistic.

    To get to death row, that "victim" committed a long line of evil acts, mortal sins, with his own free will with full deliberation. That is how he became possessed in the first place. He might have been sad, or cried -- but so did Judas. There's repentance unto conversion and salvation (like St. Peter), and then there's fruitless regret and despair (like Judas). Both involve bad emotions, regret, fear, sadness, etc. but they are fundamentally different.

    Yes, they didn't go into detail about the plight of the possessed man, regarding how he got to that point, but if I recall (it's been a few months since I saw it) there were some hints along those lines about his having opened himself up to the possession somehow.  I do believe that in some cases, possession can happen without an individual consenting to it, with the key being that the entire time he retains his free will, even if the devil has taken control of his body.  I got the impression, though, that it wasn't the central focus of the story, but rather how the demon enjoyed tormenting the man.  There was the one statement that took me by surprise, given that Protestants are behind the film, namely, that the lack of infant Baptism allows demons to have greater influence over souls very early in life.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #58 on: January 28, 2024, 07:29:10 AM »
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  • For Ladislaus and myself, such facts about theology and the supernatural are a given -- about as exciting as 2+2 = 4.
    But what about people who have never heard these concepts? It might seem ground breaking for them, to hear such truths.

    Right.  There's nothing new in this movie for Traditional Catholics.  I just think that I relished the fact that others might be exposed to these concepts.

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    « Reply #59 on: January 28, 2024, 09:52:51 AM »
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  • Right.  There's nothing new in this movie for Traditional Catholics.  I just think that I relished the fact that others might be exposed to these concepts.

    I wouldn't go that far. There's nothing new for well-educated Trad Catholics, ex-seminarians. It depends on how serious a Catholic they are; how many books they've read or studying they've done. How much of a "hobby" they've made the Faith in their lives. There are lots of Trads who don't know much about theology or demonology, stages of possession, etc.

    If they just go to Mass on Sunday, know their basic Catechism (or what they can remember from First Communion/Confirmation, which was years ago), do some basic Catholic practices, try to avoid sin, etc. there are a lot of things they're not going to know.

    We really ALL need to study as if we were going to get a part-time job as a priest.
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