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Offline andy

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Re: Nefarious movie
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2023, 01:35:35 PM »
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  • Hmmm?  Of course the devil can pop a light bulb.
    Still no quotes and to the contrary of what St. Thomas says https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1110.htm


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #16 on: April 20, 2023, 02:00:10 PM »
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  • If a demon can make someone levitate, he surely can break a light bulb.


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #17 on: April 20, 2023, 02:06:44 PM »
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  • According to Saint Thomas, Angels can affect nature by employing corporeal seeds by local movement. So breaking a light bulb for an Angel is no problem, just as we can break a bulb by hitting it.

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]I answer that, A miracle properly so called is when something is done outside the order of nature. But it is not enough for a miracle if something is done outside the order of any particular nature; for otherwise anyone would perform a miracle by throwing a stone upwards, as such a thing is outside the order of the stone's nature. So for a miracle is required that it be against the order of the whole created nature. But God alone can do this, because, whatever an angel or any other creature does by its own power, is according to the order of created nature; and thus it is not a miracle. Hence God alone can work miracles.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Reply to Objection 1. Some angels are said to work miracles; either because God works miracles at their request, in the same way as holy men are said to work miracles; or because they exercise a kind of ministry in the miracles which take place; as in collecting the dust in the general resurrection, or by doing something of that kind.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Reply to Objection 2. Properly speaking, as said above, miracles are those things which are done outside the order of the whole created nature. But as we do not know all the power of created nature, it follows that when anything is done outside the order of created nature by a power unknown to us, it is called a miracle as regards ourselves. So when the demons do anything of their own natural power, these things are called "miracles" not in an absolute sense, but in reference to ourselves. In this way the magicians work miracles through the demons; and these are said to be done by "private contracts," forasmuch as every power of the creature, in the universe, may be compared to the power of a private person in a city. Hence when a magician does anything by compact with the devil, this is done as it were by private contract. On the other hand, the Divine justice is in the whole universe as the public law is in the city. Therefore good Christians, so far as they work miracles by Divine justice, are said to work miracles by "public justice": but bad Christians by the "signs of public justice," as by invoking the name of Christ, or by making use of other sacred signs.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Reply to Objection 3. Spiritual powers are able to effect whatever happens in this visible world, by employing corporeal seeds by local movement.[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Reply to Objection 4. Although the angels can do something which is outside the order of corporeal nature, yet they cannot do anything outside the whole created order, which is essential to a miracle, as above explained.[/color]



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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #18 on: April 20, 2023, 02:25:06 PM »
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  • Still no quotes and to the contrary of what St. Thomas says https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1110.htm

    This says the exact opposite of what you claim it's evidence for.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #19 on: April 20, 2023, 04:21:20 PM »
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  • This says the exact opposite of what you claim it's evidence for.
    You are hallucinating.

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    Reply to Objection 3. Spiritual powers are able to effect whatever happens in this visible world, by employing corporeal seeds by local movement.

    Reply to Objection 4. Although the angels can do something which is outside the order of corporeal nature, yet they cannot do anything outside the whole created order, which is essential to a miracle, as above explained.

    Reply to Objection 2. The angels, by causing local motion, as the first motion, can thereby cause other movements; that is, by employing corporeal agents to produce these effects, as a workman employs fire to soften iron.

    Demons can influence souls and hence indirectly movements of humans or animals but will never ever be able to go beyond natural law.

    E.g. a demon can make a person to dial the phone number but will never be able to do that himself.


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #20 on: April 20, 2023, 04:39:23 PM »
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  • So I read summaries of the the first 5 negative reviews from critics and ... BINGO.  Here are 4 of the 5:
    Nearly all movie critics are flaming Leftist anti-religious hedonistic dirtbags.

    If a move has a PC theme, promoting sodomy or anything immotal, it'll get rave reviews from these scuм critics.  But dare a movie touch upon anything non-PC, their objective and unbiased "reviews" try to shred the movie.

    I use Rotten Tomatoes as an anti-review.  If I find a much higher audience score than the critics score, it's usually a safe bet that it's a good movie.
    Bravo!

    The way  I used to select movies was to check the L.A. Times and select from the movies they hated.
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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #21 on: April 20, 2023, 06:44:27 PM »
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  • You are hallucinating.

    Demons can influence souls and hence indirectly movements of humans or animals but will never ever be able to go beyond natural law.

    E.g. a demon can make a person to dial the phone number but will never be able to do that himself.

    :facepalm: ... St. Thomas is explaining that it is NOT beyond the natural law for them to be able to manipulate matter.  You're begging the question that because angels are pure spirit that they cannot interact with the material world.  This is simply incorrect.  By the same "reasoning", God, who (outside of the Incarnation) is also Pure Spirit (or, rather Pure Being) could never have done things like part the Red Sea or perform any other such miracle.

    Please quit while you're behind.  I mean, are daft, man, and simply lack the comprehension to even see St. Thomas' Reply to Objection 3?

    All this passage is saying is that something is not properly a "miracle" because it surpasses the capabilities fo the thing being affected, but has to be outside the order of nature per se.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #22 on: April 21, 2023, 10:08:42 AM »
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  • All this passage is saying is that something is not properly a "miracle" because it surpasses the capabilities fo the thing being affected, but has to be outside the order of nature per se.

    Demons are capable to dial a phone number directly: true or false?
    Is dialing a phone number directly by demon a miracle: true or false?


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #23 on: April 21, 2023, 10:19:36 AM »
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  • Let's also not forget that, in the times we live in, the devil has been given (temporary) greater power over men who choose to follow him and also nature.  Per Pope Leo XIII's vision, we live in unique times in all of history.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #24 on: April 21, 2023, 07:27:21 PM »
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  • Let's also not forget that, in the times we live in, the devil has been given (temporary) greater power over men who choose to follow him and also nature.  Per Pope Leo XIII's vision, we live in unique times in all of history.
    Over man but not over the natural law. This is the key distinction here.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #25 on: April 24, 2023, 08:13:05 PM »
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  • Interviewing the Directors of Nefarious - Spiritual & Earthly Battles
    "I interviewed Cary Solomon and Chuck Konzelman, the directors and writers of the new thriller Nefarious. They explained their struggles with canceling in Hollywood, how bizarre spiritual battles impacted the production, and the greater point of the movie as it relates to our culture. Check out the interview and go see the movie!" 
    Sarah Cain on Gab: 'Interviewing the Directors of Nefarious - Spiritua…'


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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #26 on: April 24, 2023, 11:00:11 PM »
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  • Interviewing the Directors of Nefarious - Spiritual & Earthly Battles
    "I interviewed Cary Solomon and Chuck Konzelman, the directors and writers of the new thriller Nefarious. They explained their struggles with canceling in Hollywood, how bizarre spiritual battles impacted the production, and the greater point of the movie as it relates to our culture. Check out the interview and go see the movie!"
    Sarah Cain on Gab: 'Interviewing the Directors of Nefarious - Spiritua…'
    So you trust Novus Ordo catholics more than St. Thomas? Huh.

    I started watching this interview but things started getting odd when they say the intention was to "Trojan Horse"  minds of unbelievers.  That does not sound honest nor catholic.

    One more thing from the trailer which is just false. The "demon" says 'you will kill 3 people today'. This is the lie. Demons do not know the future.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #27 on: May 18, 2023, 10:58:33 AM »
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  • We saw it as a Family.  there were several quotes from the demon which were apes of the words of Our Lord.  an interesting scene was when the N.O. Priest came in and as saying that the church's no longer believers in silly superstition like possession.    The Demon calls him a fraud and a "Poser".  r3ferencing the invalid orders of the Post 68 ritual? 

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #28 on: May 18, 2023, 12:20:03 PM »
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  • We saw it as a Family.  there were several quotes from the demon which were apes of the words of Our Lord.  an interesting scene was when the N.O. Priest came in and as saying that the church's no longer believers in silly superstition like possession.    The Demon calls him a fraud and a "Poser".  r3ferencing the invalid orders of the Post 68 ritual?
    No doubt the demon is "content" - in the diabolical framework of the term - that the so called priest does not believe in possession, and thus the diabolic altogether.

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    Re: Nefarious movie
    « Reply #29 on: July 16, 2023, 06:11:29 PM »
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  • From the brief snippets I've seen on Youtube, this movie strikes me as overly didactic and ideologically on the nose. Like it was written by a couple of theology nerds without a sense for realistic dialogue.

    Did anyone else have this sense?