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hating the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Saints, and their intercession

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Many people do not understand Catholic beliefs and practices regarding the Mother of God, Theotokos (Θεοτόκος). In discussions (arguments?) Protestants often object to what they wrongly think Catholics believe and do regarding Mary. So let’s present what Catholics actually believe. We think that you too will see that Catholics honor (latria), but do not worship (dulia), Mary. We do not worship the statues in our Churches. We worship only God. We put no false gods before Him.

Queen of HeavenIllustration from Dante’s Divine Comedy

1 • Catholics worship only God.
2 • As Luke Chapter 1 tells us, we honor Mary. We do not worship her.
3 • Luke Chapter 1 is the source of our “Hail Mary” and “Magnificat” prayers.
4 • The Bible tells us that the Saints in Heaven are part of our family.
5 • Just as you might ask a friend or relative to pray for you, we ask our friends and relatives in Heaven, including Mary, to pray for us.
6 • The Bible counsels asking for the intercession of Angels and Saints and gives an instance of Mary's intercession at the Feast of Cana. She asked her Son to help others.
7 • Just as you might ask your Mom to intercede with Dad because you are in trouble, similarly we can ask Mary to intercede for us, just as she did at Cana.
8 • None of this offends what belongs to God alone.
9 • Just as Moses and Solomon made statues of Angels, we Catholics make statues.
10 • Moses and Solomon did not worship the statues they made. We Catholics do not worship the statues we make.
11 • Just as you have pictures of your friend and family, but do not worship those pictures, we Catholics have pictures of our friends and family, including those in Heaven. We do not worship them. We simply honor them and ask them to help us.
12 • We Catholics are not idolaters. We are Bible Believers.

For each of these points, please see the supportive Scripture we have presented below. Before you discount what we believe and do, we ask you to review the verses on this page and consider them. We think you will find the Scripture persuasive that honoring Mary and asking her intercession is no offense to God. Christians believed as we do for 1,500 years. We ask you to join us.

Luke 1:26-55

We Catholics do not worship the Blessed Virgin Mary. We honor her exactly as the Bible honors Mary in Luke 1:26-55, the source of her titles, our “Hail Mary,” and Magnificat:

“And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin' s name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren: Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. And Mary rising up in those days, went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda. And she entered into the house of Zachary, and saluted Elizabeth. And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.

“And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy: As he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his seed for ever.”

Madonna of the Magnificat
Sandro Botticelli, 1481 A.D.

As prophesied in Isaias 7:14, a virgin, παρθένος in the authoritative Septuagint

Mary is pre-figured in the Old Testament

Psalms prefigure Mary as the “house” of the Lord (like the Ark), the “daughter of the King” (to be honored). Don’t be confused by the differences in Catholic and Protestant Psalm numbering.

Psalms 44:14: “All the glory of the daughter of the King is within…”
Psalm 83:3-5: “My soul longeth and fainteth for the courts of the Lord. My heart and my flesh have rejoiced in the living God. For the sparrow hath found herself a house, and the turtle a nest for herself where she may lay her young ones: Thy altars, O Lord of hosts, my king and my God. Blessed are they that dwell in thy house, O Lord: they shall praise thee for ever and ever.” Just as in Luke 1:48, “...henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.”

There are other such examples.

Numbers 9:15: “Now on the day that the tabernacle [a tent used as a sanctuary for the Ark of the Covenant] was reared up, a cloud covered it...” prefigures Mary in Luke 1:35, “And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
2 Kings 6:9-15 (2 Samuel for Protestants) repeatedly mentions the Ark and describes David’s joy dancing at the return of the Ark. This prefigures Mary as the Ark in Luke 1:44-56 when Elizabeth’s baby jumped in the womb in the presence of Mary, the New Ark, bearing Jesus in her womb, “… the infant in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord.”

Mary’s sinlessness • her Immaculate Conception

Some people mistakenly confuse Mary’s sinlessness, called her “Immaculate Conception,” with the Virgin Birth and Mary’s perpetual virginity. Mary was conceived without the stain of Original Sin. Because she did not have the fallen nature of Original Sin, she had no inclination to sin. She never sinned.

Mary's Sinlessness: A Biblical Docuмentary
https://youtu.be/ZTVyptxPQ04

See also: Can Mary's Sinlessness Be Defended?
http://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/2015/12/can-marys-sinlessness-be-defended.html

entry for “Immaculate Conception,” Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9ineff.htm

Mary and Romans 3:23
https://www.defendingthebride.com/ma2/all.html

Archetypes and scriptural support for the Immaculate Conception of Mary
https://web.archive.org/web/20110509035630/http://www.ccel.org/node/7738

We can see that at least at the time of the Annunciation Mary is without sin. This is evident by the words that the Angel Gabriel speaks to Mary in Luke 1:28. The Angel, a messenger, is not speaking his own words, rather he is delivering God’s message to her. He says in Luke 1:28, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women.” In the Greek the word for “full of grace” is “kecharitōmenē.” (κεχαριτωμένη) She is full of grace so there is no room for sin in her.
The word “kecharitōmenē.” (κεχαριτωμένη) is a perfect passive participle of the verb “charitoó” (χαριτόω).

This is a recognition of her sinless state. The newer English translations leave out something that the original Greek conveys. This is something the older translation does convey. That is that this grace is at once permanent and of a singular kind. The Greek indicates a perfection of grace. A perfection must be perfect not only intensively, but extensively. The intent of the term is that the grace Mary enjoyed must not only have been as “full” or strong or complete as possible at any given time, but it must have extended over the whole of her life, from conception. That is, she must have been in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence to have been called “full of grace” or to have been filled with divine favor in a singular way.

Some have argued that this says nothing unique about Mary since Saint Stephen, just before he is martyred for the faith, is said to be full of grace in Acts 6:8. However a different word form is used to describe Saint Stephen. In the Greek the conjugated form of “charitoó” (χαριτόω) that is used to describe him is "charitos" (χάριτος)not “kecharitōmenē.” (κεχαριτωμένη) that is used in reference to Mary.

Some who oppose the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception have attempted to argue that the use of the verb “charitoó” (χαριτόω) in Luke 1:28 says nothing special about Mary since this same verb, although in a different form, is used to refer to all Christians in Ephesians 1:6 .

However, Luke 1:28 uses a special conjugated form of “charitoó” (χαριτόω). It uses “kecharitōmenē.” (κεχαριτωμένη), while Ephesians 1:6 uses “echaritōsen” (ἐχαρίτωσεν), which is a different form of the verb “charitoó” (χαριτόω). “Echaritōsen” (ἐχαρίτωσεν) means “he graced (bestowed grace).” “Echaritōsen” (ἐχαρίτωσεν) signifies a momentary action, an action brought to pass. (Blass and DeBrunner, Greek Grammar of the New Testament, p.166.) Whereas, “kecharitōmenē.” (κεχαριτωμένη), the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a with permanent result. “Kecharitōmenē” (κεχαριτωμένη) denotes continuance of a completed action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1968 ) 108-109, sec 1852:b also Blass and DeBrunner p.175.

It might help to consider other instances of the perfect tense being used.

Another example of a verb used in the perfect tense is the word “is” in John 19:30, “It is consumated (finished).” The work of the redemption is complete and forever enduring.

Examples of the perfect participle are the following:

The word “beloved” (Ēgapēmenō, Ἠγαπημένῳ) in Ephesians 1:6 “ … for the praise of the glory of his grace that he granted us in the beloved.” Jesus is perfectly and enduringly loved by His Father.

The word “Blessed” (eulogēmenos, εὐλογημένος) in Luke 1:42, ”… Blessed is the fruit of thy womb.” Jesus is perfectly and endlessly blessed by God the Father.

Therefore, Luke 1:28 points to Mary being without sin. So, at this point the only question is at what point in her life is Mary made without sin.

Later we see this idea supported further in Luke 1:42 where Elizabeth greets Mary as “blessed among women” (Eulogēmenē su en gynaixin, Εὐλογημένη σὺ ἐν γυναιξίν). Since neither the Hebrew nor Aramaic languages have superlatives, a speaker of those languages would have said, something like “You are tall among men” to mean “You are the tallest.” Thus we see the original import of this phrase is lost in an English translation and so can see that Elizabeth’s words mean Mary was the holiest of all women.

Additional to the grammatical analysis, we can see that Mary is foreshadowed as sinless by the reference to her in the account in Genesis.

Mary's Immaculate Conception is foreshadowed in Genesis 1, where God creates the universe in an immaculate state, free from any blemish or stain or sin or imperfection. This is borne out by the repeated mention in Genesis 1 of God beholding his creations and saying they were “very good.” Out of pristine matter the Lord created Adam, the first immaculately created human being, forming him from the “womb” of the Earth. The immaculate elements from which the first Adam received his substance foreshadowed the immaculate mother from whom the second Adam (Romans 5:14) took his human substance.

Again in Genesis 3:15 and the “proto-evangelion” there is scripture which points to another archetype. Genesis 3:14-15 : “And the Lord God said to the serpent: Because thou hast done this thing, thou art cursed among all cattle, and beasts of the earth: upon thy breast shalt thou go, and earth shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.”

If Mary was not completely sinless this prophesy becomes untenable. Why is that? The passage points to Mary's Immaculate Conception because it mentions a complete enmity between the woman and Satan. Such enmity would have been impossible if Mary were tainted by sin....

Identity of the Woman

All Christians agree that this is a prophecy about the Messiah, Jesus Christ, coming to strike the head of the serpent, Satan. - Actually the Hebrew word that is translated as “seed” is being used in a very unusual way. Normally it applies to the male, but here it is being used in reference to a woman—“her seed” (zar·‘āh; זַרְעָ֑הּ). It is referring to Jesus’ birth through the Virgin Mary. - So, looking back at this Scripture we should appropriately ask ourselves, of which woman’s seed was He born? The answer of course is Mary. Jesus even goes on to identify Mary as the “Woman” in John 2:4, 19:26, and also see Apocalypse (Revelation) 12: 1, 6.

Despite this you will find that in most modern Protestant bibles, you will find the second part of this first gospel Genesis 3:15 changed to "“.. he will bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel.” But if we examine the thoughts of three Jєωιѕн [commentators]: Josephus (d. 101 A.D.), Philo (d. 40 A.D.) and Maimonides (d. 1204 A.D.) we will see their understanding of the original text to match that of the Catholic Church.

To begin with, Josephus states, “He ordained that the woman should inflict wounds on his head.” This becomes evident that Josephus in his day read the word “autou,” (αὐτοῦ) that is to say, “she.” (It is important to note, Josephus and Philo both wrote in Greek but also knew Hebrew, so their testimony is a common witness that the Greek of the Septuagint of their day was aute, and that the Hebrew pronoun was pronounced He ה֚וּא (hū) all meaning “she.” Later witness of this fact is given by another Jєωιѕн [bitterly anti-Christian] philosopher, Moses Maimonides, who did not believe in the Messianic or Mariological content of the prophecy but nevertheless had this to say:

“But what must be admired most of all, is that the serpent is joined with Eve, that is, its seed with her seed, its head with her heel; that she (Eve) should conquer it (the serpent) in the head, and that it should conquer her in the heel.” [More Nebochim , Part II, chap. 30]

It is also important to note that the creation of the enmity between Satan and the woman is not something that the woman does, rather it is what God does, and He does it in the most perfect way. Unfortunately some Christians in their misguided attempts to defend the glory of God actually insult Him by denying Him the credit that is due for this miraculous work He did in Mary.

Enmity is a determined, enduring and extreme hostility that exists between enemies.

Every Christian once in heaven will be perfected by God’s grace. However, only of Mary, and of “her seed,” which is Jesus Christ, is it said that there will be enmity between them and Satan. Since Jesus is God and since holiness is an aspect of His Nature, he has that enmity by nature. Where as with Mary, she has it as a gift.

If there had ever been a time when Mary was under Satan’s domination through personal or original sin, then there would not be a real enmity between her and Satan. Therefore, by virtue of the grace He gave her, God put Mary in opposition to Satan from the beginning and throughout her life. Notice that God the Father says that *He will put* the enmity between her and Satan. Only in God, and by His gift of grace, also in Mary, can it be said that there is enmity with Satan because only in them is their entire life opposed to Satan.

Therefore, since Mary had an enmity between her and Satan, and even though she was a descendant of Adam and would have contracted Original Sin, she was saved from the stain of it by the merits of Jesus Christ from the first moment of her life.

The first parallel of this sinlessness we can draw has to do with the fact that God took such great pains to make sure the Ark was properly constructed (see Exodus 25).

God wanted the ark to be as perfect and unblemished as humanly possible so it would be worthy of the honor of bearing the written Word of God. How much more so would God want Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, to be perfect and unblemished since she would carry within her womb the Word of God in flesh.

Consider also the exhortation in Exodus 20:12, “Honor your father and your mother.…” Jesus came to earth and fulfilled the Old Testament Law perfectly and completely. And this Law is especially manifested in the Ten Commandments. Now, the fourth commandment says that He is called to honor His Father and His mother. However, to allow His mother to participate in the Fall would be to allow her to be dishonored. If He is to honor her, then He can not allow this.

Another point to consider is that Jesus is the only person who was able to chose His own mother. He was able to chose the holiest human woman. And being a perfect Son, He loved His mother more than any other son. And being a loving Son, He would not want His mother to spend one second in Satan’s domination.

The following women all serve as archetypes of Mary in their roles of crushing the head of the enemy.

Judith

The woman came forth and prayed, “Strengthen me, O Lord God, at this hour. And she struck twice upon his neck, and cut off his head...” (Judith 13:9-10). And the Jєωιѕн nation was saved and the head of that wicked ruler Holfernes crushed. And they all adored the Lord, and said to her, “The Lord hath blessed thee by his power, because by thee he that brought our enemies to naught.” Was this the singular woman prophesied? No, Judith was only a foreshadowing, a glimpse of the great Lady to come.

Esther

But, in time, the voice of another great woman raised up to God, “O God, who art mighty above all, hear the voice of them that have no other hope, and deliver us from the hand of the wicked...” Just when the Jєωιѕн people were about to be destroyed again by the instrumentality of the wicked Aman, the voice of a woman found favor with the King of Kings and King Artzerxes. Needless to say, when it was all over, Aman's head was hanged on a gibbet fifty cubits high. The king's words spoke clearly, “For which crime both he himself that devised it, and all his kindred hang on gibbets, before the gates of this city Susan: not we, but God repaying him as he deserved.” (Esther 16:18) Was this the woman prophesied? No, Esther was only a mere shadow of the great Lady to come.

Jahel

Judges 5:24-27 : “Blessed among women be Jahel the wife of Haber the Cinite, and blessed be she in her tent. He asked her water and she gave him milk, and offered him butter in a dish fit for princes. She put her left hand to the nail, and her right hand to the workman's hammer, and she struck Sisara, seeking in his head a place for the wound, and strongly piercing through his temples. At her feet he fell: he fainted, and he died: he rolled before her feet, and he lay lifeless and wretched."

Such it was in that early day of Jєωιѕн history when those women crushed the head of the evil one and his seed again and again. Yet, these women, too, were only pre-figures of that singular woman who was to come.

Finally in Apocalypse we see "a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:1

The devil has declared war not only on the woman Mary, but on her seed, which is primarily Jesus, but all of us as well, in a special way, as her children. For it is written in Apocalypse (please note how remarkably similar this is to Genesis 3:15), “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman, who brought forth the man child.... And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:13-17

As further support for this sinlessness we have to look at Mary's Assumption and the corresponding archetypes as well.

There is support in the Scriptures for Mary's Assumption based on recognizing Mary in the archetypes of the Old Testament such as the second Eve, and the Ark of the Covenant.

The idea of Mary as the Second Eve comes from the contrast between Eve's disobedience and Mary's obedience - just as Jesus' role as the second Adam comes from the contrast with the first Adam. These are not newly devised ideas but were put forward by the Early Church Fathers.

The first idea I will present is from Justin Martyr (120-165 AD):
Eve a virgin and undefiled brought the word of the serpent into the world by consenting to his lie.
Mary a virgin and undefiled brought the word of God into the world by consenting to His will.

Tertullian (160-240 AD) points out that:
Eve believed the serpent and the word which crept into Eve brought for death.
Mary believed Gabriel and the word which was placed within Mary brought forth life.
The fault which began with Eve by believing had its ending begun by the believing of Mary.

Irenaeus (115-155 AD) confirms the ideas that:
Eve was disobedient and that disobedience was the cause of death
Mary was obedient and that obedience became the source of salvation

This comparison extends to their respective conceptions.

Eve was created in a state of grace, born without even original sin; and the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception mirrors that for Mary in that it interprets the Scripture to say that she was declared full of grace by the angel and was in that state from the moment of her creation - just as Eve was. Is this so different than the state we are forced to admit was possible for John the Baptist who was filled with the Spirit and recognized the presence of his Lord while still in the womb.

Mary is also foreshadowed as spotless by the archetype of the Ark of the Covenant

Originally the Ark of the covenant contained the word of God etched on stone by God's own hand. The Ark was not the Word itself but it was nevertheless very important. Mary carried the “word made flesh” inside her the same way the Ark carried the 10 commandments which were the Word of God manifest in the real word. John 1:1

The Ark turns up in Apocalypse (Revelation) 11:19. It is presented as Mary, the mother of Jesus.
“And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

Apocalypse (Revelation) 12 :1-13: “A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pangs, in the agony of giving birth… Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron. But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to his throne.… So when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child… But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly from the serpent … Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep the commandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.”

Some non-Catholics have suggested that woman crowned with stars in this passage is Israel and that the 12 stars represent the tribes of Israel. They say the woman is not Mary. The problem with this interpretation is that the passage clearly says her children are those who “hold the testimony of Jesus Christ” Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:17 which the children of Israel clearly have not done, but the children of Mary surely have. Catholics believe this started with John at the foot of the cross when Jesus presented Mary to him as his mother. John 19:26

Catholics believe this passage of Revelation makes clear several important points:
1. The Ark of the Covenant has been restored to the temple
2. The temple is now heaven (See also Hebrews 9:1-12)
3. A woman with a crown is there - the new Ark
4. She gave birth to the son who will rule the nations and is at God's throne
5. The devil is very interested in destroying her but she is safe
6. Her children are all faithful Christians.

Let us now compare the Ark of the covenant in the old testament to Mary, who Catholics believe is the new Ark. It will be laid out in the following format:

The Ark of the Old Testament
Mary - The New Testament

The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Deuteronomy 10:1, Exodus 25:8-16).
The Word became Flesh (John 1:14).

The Ark carried the Word of God (Deuteronomy 10:1). The Ark carried the Old Covenant.
Mary carried the Word of God (Luke 1:31-38). Mary carried the New Covenant.

The Ark carried the manna within itself (Hebrews 9:4).
Mary carried the manna within her in the form of Jesus (Luke 1:31-38).

The Ark carried the rod of Aaron which budded (Numbers 17:6).
Mary carried the rod that budded in the form of Jesus.

The Ark was covered by the glory cloud of the Lord (the Shekinah Glory) and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle (Exodus 40:33–35; Numbers 9:18, 22). The verb for “to cover” or “to overshadow” and the metaphor of a cloud are used in the Bible to represent the presence and glory of God.

Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and filled with the glory of the Lord (Luke 1:35).

David says, “Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?” (2 Kings (2 Samuel) 6:9)
Elizabeth says “Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Luke 1:43) (Mary, was pregnant with Jesus).

When the Ark returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Kings (2 Samuel) 6:14).
The baby leaped for joy in Elizabeth's womb when Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying Jesus in her womb. (Luke 1:44)

“And I have put in it the ark, wherein is the covenant of the Lord, which he made with the children of Israel.” (2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles)6:11)

Elizabeth's husband Zachary said, “remember his holy testament” (Luke 1:72) ...This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you. (Luke 22:20)

Joshua summoned the twelve men from the Israelite, whom he had appointed, one from each tribe. Joshua said to them “Go before the ark of the Lord your God….” (Josue 4:5)

A great portent appeared in heaven: “a woman ...and on her head a crown of twelve stars.” (Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:1) representing the tribes of Israel.

The ark of the Lord is a blessing to the house. (2 Kings (2 Samuel) 6:11)
Mary goes into the hills and blesses (“saluted” Elizabeth's house (Luke 1:40)

The Ark is captured (1 Kings (1 Samuel) 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Kings (1 Samuel) 6:13).
Mary is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Matthew 2:13-20).

The Ark disappears (Jeremias 3:16) never to return until the New Testament Revelation story

The Ark reappears as a lady (Mary) who bears a son who is seated at the right hand of God . Her children are Christians. (Apocalypse (Revelation) 11:19).

If we accept the idea that Eve would not have become dust had she not sinned, then if Mary was kept from sin (by the power and grace of God) it is reasonable to conclude she would not suffer corruption, she would have retained the gift Eve lost through sin.

We also have to ask if Mary's body is still here on earth - where is it? The relics of the Saints, including the Apostles were highly valued and collected and venerated by the faithful. In fact Protestant Reformers made light of how many pieces and parts were claimed around the world for many of these men. Yet no one, no Church, no congregation anywhere claims to have any relic of Mary. None - Zero Zip. If Mary is dead and buried here on earth why has no one ever in the entire history of the world claimed to have relics of the body? Why are the only claims for her burial site empty tombs?

The Bible and Apostolic Tradition both teach us that Mary and the Saints are our family:

Romans 12:5: “So we being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.”
No exception for the dead!
1 Corinthians 12:26: “And if one member suffer any thing, all the members suffer with it; or if one member glory, all the members rejoice with it.”
We are one family in Jesus Christ, the living and the dead.

Are all pictures and statues graven images of idols? No.

Do you have pictures of your family? We do.
Do you worship "graven images" of your mother? Neither do we.

see the examples of Noah, Moses and King Solomon

In Exodus 20:4-5 God condemned the carving of statues for the sake of worshiping them as idols. Recall that God Himself ordered the construction of other statues to serve His purposes. Exodus 25:16-20, 37:6-9; Numbers 21:6-9; 3 Kings (1 Kings) 6:23, 7:23-29; 1 Paralipomenon (1 Chronicles) 28:18-19; 2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 3:10

Noah commanded by God to make statues of cherubim for his Ark:

“And thou shalt put in the ark the testimony which I will give thee. Thou shalt make also a propitiatory of the purest gold: the length thereof shall be two cubits and a half, and the breadth a cubit and a half.  Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle. Let one cherub be on the one side, and the other on the other. Let them cover both sides of the propitiatory, spreading their wings, and covering the oracle, and let them look one towards the other, their faces being turned towards the propitiatory wherewith the ark is to be covered.” Exodus 25:16-20

Moses commanded by God to make a brazen serpent to heal the punished Israelites:

“Wherefore the Lord sent among the people fiery serpents, which bit them and killed many of them. Upon which they came to Moses, and said: We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and thee: pray that he may take away these serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.  And the Lord said to him: Make a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live. Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.” Numbers 21:6-9

Beseleel commanded by God to make statues of cherubim for the Ark and Tabernacle:

He made also the propitiatory, that is, the oracle, of the purest gold, two cubits and a half in length, and a cubit and a half in breadth.  Two cherubims also of beaten gold, which he set on the two sides of the propitiatory:  One cherub in the top of one side, and the other cherub in the top of the other side: two cherubims at the two ends of the propitiatory,  Spreading their wings, and covering the propitiatory, and looking one towards the other, and towards it. Exodus 37:6-9

King Solomon made statues of cherubim, lions, and oxen for the temple:

“And he made in the oracle two cherubims of olive tree, of ten cubits in height.”
3 Kings (1 Kings) 6:23

“…And between the little crowns and the ledges were lions, and oxen, and cherubims…”
3 Kings (1 Kings) 7:23-29

“And for the altar of incense, he gave the purest gold: and to make the likeness of the chariot of the cherubims spreading their wings, and covering the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All these things, said he, came to me written by the hand of the Lord that I might understand all the works of the pattern.”
1 Paralipomenon (1 Chronicles) 28:18-19

“He made also in the house of the holy of holies two cherubims of image work: and he overlaid them with gold.” 2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 3:10

Like Noah, Moses, Beseleel, and King Solomon,two millennia of Catholics have made sacred art without sin or injury to God.

You begin to understand how anti-Biblical the denigration of the Mother of God actually is. Many Protestants are raised on such Jack Chick calumnies.

Dulia

(Greek doulia; Latin servitus), a theological term signifying the honour paid to the saints, while latria means worship given to God alone, and hyperdulia the veneration offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary. St. Augustine (City of God X.2) distinguishes two kinds of servitus: “one which is due to men . . . which in Greek is called dulia; the other, latria, which is the service pertaining to the worship of God.” St. Thomas (II-II:103:3) bases the distinction on the difference between God’s supreme dominion and that which one man may exercise over another. Catholic theologians insist that the difference is one of kind and not merely of degree; dulia and latria being as far apart as are the creature and the Creator. Leibniz, though a Protestant, recognizes the “discrimen infinitum atque immensum between the honour which is due to God and that which is shown to the saints, the one being called by theologians, after Augustine's example, latria, the other dulia”; and he further declares that this difference should “not only be inculcated in the minds of hearers and learners, but should also be manifested as far as possible by outward signs” (Syst. theol., p. 184). A further distinction is made between dulia in the absolute sense, the honour paid to persons, and dulia in the relative sense, the honour paid to inanimate objects, such as images and relics. With regard to the saints, dulia includes veneration and invocation; the former being the honour paid directly to them, the latter having primarily in view the petitioner's advantage. More detailed explanation of dulia and the reasons for which it is shown to persons or things will be found in the articles IMAGES, RELICS, SAINTS. See also ADORATION and WORSHIP.

from the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition

Latria

Latria (latreia) in classical Greek originally meant "the state of a hired servant" (Aesch., "Prom.", 966), and so service generally. It is used especially for Divine service (Plato, "Apol.", 23 B). In Christian literature it came to have a technical sense for the supreme honour due to His servants, the angels and saints. This latter was styled "dulia". Etymologically, however, there is no reason why latria should be preferred to designate supreme honour; and indeed the two words were often used indiscriminately. The distinction is due to St. Augustine, who says: "Latria . . . ea dicitur servitus quae pertinet ad colendum Deum" ([iurl=https://web.archive.org/web

Mat183 · « **Reply #1 on:** **Yesterday** at 10:24:26 PM »

Superb post! Thank you very much.

Mat183 · « **Reply #2 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:13:37 PM »

And I think a real part of the problem for a lot of Prots and even many Catholics and others is that they do not come anywhere near to realizing the degree of suffering the Blessed Mother endured and endured most lovingly not only on behalf of her and our God, but on behalf of her children, the human race. No doubt, our eyes will be greatly opened to this fact in Purgatory if we go there and even more so in Heaven.

Private revelations such as those conveyed to us by the Venerable Maria de Agreda in her colossal work The Mystical City of God go into profoundly moving detail concerning this suffering. Not only did she suffer exceedingly and excruciatingly in her immense mental agony, but she suffered the actual physical pains suffered by her Son Jesus throughout his Passion -- for example, when the nails went through His hands she felt the pain of nails going through her own hands --and this is in addition to all the torments she suffered throughout her life when she so often saw in visions what her Son Jesus was suffering in various ways in His daily life. Queen of martyrs -- yes, indeed she was, but what an understatement in comparison to what she actually suffered, sufferings increased beyond all measure by the love of a mother like no other.

It's so difficult, if even possible, to come to the true realization of how incredibly grateful each and every one of us should be to our Blessed Mother. How terribly unfortunate and ultimately tragic it is that she like her Son Jesus are looked upon with such indifference, if not even outright contempt, by so much of mankind.

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