Author Topic: Journets The Church of the Incarnate Word (Read 3734 times)

JohnGrey · « **on:** June 27, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »

I'd the like the opinion of anyone here that has read The Church of the Incarnate Word by Charles Cardinal Journet. In doing some analysis on his contention regarding universal acceptance of a pontifical election being an infallible act, and decided to read the work in its entirety. Disregarding the previous, parts of it, especially his exposition on his own view of invincible ignorance seems to me to smack of modernism. I've heard that he exerted some influence during the Apostate Council, and that he was a supporter of both Dignitatis humanae and Lumen gentium. If that's so, then I would posit that his understanding of ecclesiology must at the very least be somewhat suspect. Any thoughts?

Here's a link to the work, posted on EWTN: The Church of the Incarnate Word

If this should be relocated, please do so, Matthew. I just thought I should stick to the bibliophiles.

~ John

SJB · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2012, 08:52:37 PM »

Monsignor Joseph C. Fenton on Fr. Charles Journet

JohnGrey · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2012, 09:05:00 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Monsignor Joseph C. Fenton on Fr. Charles Journet

Can't thank you enough, SJB, and the first few pages were enough to answer my own question. First that he should have the temerity to contend with that Doctor of the Church that is rightly considered the final word of her ecclesiology, but that he should do so in obvious contravention to Mystici corporis is sufficient for me to have grave doubts concerning the orthodoxy of his work.

A thumbs-up and a tip of the hat, kind sir. :cheers:

~ John

JohnGrey · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:52:51 PM »

Quote from: PereJoseph

Based on the title of the thread, my first thought was that the book must obviously be heretical !

That's a matter of debate, I suppose. There are parts of it that I find contrary to what I know of dogmatic theology, and the doctrines taught by HH Pius XII. But I welcome someone more learned than I to correct me if I'm wrong.

JohnGrey · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2012, 01:11:13 AM »

Quote from: PereJoseph

Based on the title of the thread, my first thought was that the book must obviously be heretical !

Ah, now I get the joke!

It's amazing how much one letter can change the context of a phrase. Thanks for pointing it out, PJ. :roll-laugh2:

brotherfrancis75 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM »

@SJB: Thank you very much indeed for the reference to Monsignor Joseph C. Fenton. What a godsend that priest is to us!

Any idea if the "Adam" to whom Monsignor Fenton refers at the end of his article is Fr. Karl Adam? How many more snakes in the grass can we uncover in this investigation?

JohnGrey · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:03:33 PM »

Quote from: brotherfrancis75

@SJB: Thank you very much indeed for the reference to Monsignor Joseph C. Fenton. What a godsend that priest is to us!

Any idea if the "Adam" to whom Monsignor Fenton refers at the end of his article is Fr. Karl Adam? How many more snakes in the grass can we uncover in this investigation?

Given that Msgr. Fenton places him in the company of Otto Karrer and Yves Congar, I would think it likely.

JohnGrey · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2012, 03:17:50 PM »

Quote from: brotherfrancis75

@SJB: Thank you very much indeed for the reference to Monsignor Joseph C. Fenton. What a godsend that priest is to us!

Any idea if the "Adam" to whom Monsignor Fenton refers at the end of his article is Fr. Karl Adam? How many more snakes in the grass can we uncover in this investigation?

Of course, Journet was a contemporary of all of the above, and on friendly terms with the writer Jacques Martain, whose lurid theology on human sɛҳuąƖity put him at odds with the Church. The opposition of Hobbles' much-beloved Garrigou-Langrage to Martain's work led ultimately to the demise of friendship between Journet and Garrigou-Lagrange. Of course, Journet had his own problems at the time as he was under suspicion by his bishop for what he referred to in his own letters as his "modern tastes."