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Offline Miseremini

Re: John Cardinal Newman: Work on Justification; 1874, 300+pp
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2025, 02:32:09 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 09, 2025, 07:10:04 PM
As people know, I'm not a huge fan of Newman.  I think he was a proto-Modernist (and had arguments with Sean Johnson about it).  Cardinal Manning had the same opinion of him that I do, except I have the 20/20 hindsight of St. Pius X's later condemnation of Modernism, whereas Manning discerned it himself.

Not a few bishops in Great Britain denounced Newman for heresy.

Newman was also highly suspect of sodomy, or at the very least was incredibly hyper-effeminate in being extremely over-emotional (un-manly, as it were).

Yet he was quickly canonized by the Conciliars ... not despite but undoubtedly BECAUSE of these aspects of his life.
I totally agree.  I've always been leery of Newman since I read he wished to be buried on top of Ambrose St. John.
Further I discovered that he thought he could rewrite the Anima Christi better than St. Ignatius of Loyola's original and then presumed to rewrite the Prayer Before the Crucifix by St. Francis.
Why do converts always think they can do better, sort of like invaders do.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/moving-cardinal-newmans-body-runs-controversy
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: John Cardinal Newman: Work on Justification; 1874, 300+pp
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2025, 04:25:44 PM »
Quote from: Miseremini on February 10, 2025, 02:32:09 PM
I totally agree.  I've always been leery of Newman since I read he wished to be buried on top of Ambrose St. John.
Further I discovered that he thought he could rewrite the Anima Christi better than St. Ignatius of Loyola's original and then presumed to rewrite the Prayer Before the Crucifix by St. Francis.
Why do converts always think they can do better, sort of like invaders do.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/moving-cardinal-newmans-body-runs-controversy

Yes, apart from the disturbing Ambrose St. John thing, Newman really is the father of Modernism, having made statements that he'd put up with the definition of papal infallibility until such a time as a "deeper understanding" arrives that they assent to, i.e. the very Modernist notion regarding the development of dogma.
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Offline Miseremini

Re: John Cardinal Newman: Work on Justification; 1874, 300+pp
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PM »
I have to wonder if Pope St Piux X had him in mind (amongst others) when he spoke against modernism.
But changing the prayers of saints is just arrogant.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: John Cardinal Newman: Work on Justification; 1874, 300+pp
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2025, 08:49:51 PM »
Quote from: Miseremini on February 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PM
I have to wonder if Pope St Piux X had him in mind (amongst others) when he spoke against modernism.
But changing the prayers of saints is just arrogant.

Well, reportedly St. Pius X defended Newman against accusations of heresy, and it was on area in which I think he was a bit excessively soft on a Modernist.  Newman was very subtle in how he presented it, not over-the-top like the ones St. Pius X condemned, and always professing loyalty to the Holy See.
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Offline roscoe

Re: John Cardinal Newman: Work on Justification; 1874, 300+pp
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2025, 01:24:45 AM »
Quote from: Miseremini on February 10, 2025, 05:42:08 PM
I have to wonder if Pope St Piux X had him in mind (amongst others) when he spoke against modernism.
But changing the prayers of saints is just arrogant.
It is Pius X who makes Newman a Cardinal..... :popcorn:
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