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I Accuse the Council! by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
« on: November 20, 2012, 06:05:16 AM »
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  • Not sure if copyright law is being broken (probably), but in this case, I think it may be justified by the importance and relevance of the message contained in the book.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/4104690/i-Accuse-the-Council
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    « Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 07:22:46 AM »
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  • It has been many years since I read this, thanks for posting it.  It is one book that is worth reading again.  

    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    I Accuse the Council! by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
    « Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 07:43:53 AM »
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  • Thanks for posting.  Much better that the prices on ebay, as high as $1,500.00
    in which a very few could afford for a used paperback copy.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 07:56:58 AM »
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    « Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 03:30:47 PM »
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  • Fili Redemptor mundi Deus, miserere nobis.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 03:34:10 PM »
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    Cheapest I could find is $50

    http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=I+Accuse+the+Council


    It is very strange the SSPX would not be reprinting one of the most famous works by the Archbishop.  
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #6 on: November 21, 2012, 05:48:54 PM »
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  • Why is the Society not printing this book anymore?

    Since there is no deal, will they restart?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 21, 2012, 08:57:42 PM »
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    Why is the Society not printing this book anymore?

    Since there is no deal, will they restart?


    Maybe they are holding out for business reasons...  

    ...if it's true that this book is selling on ebay for hundreds of dollars, maybe they are biding their time.  In the future they may republish it at $29 per book.  It could be a business decision.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 21, 2012, 10:13:25 PM »
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  • The link to the book at Angelus Press is right here:

    http://angeluspress.org/Books/Marcel-Lefebvre/I-Accuse-The-Council

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    « Reply #9 on: November 21, 2012, 10:15:44 PM »
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    The link to the book at Angelus Press is right here:

    http://angeluspress.org/Books/Marcel-Lefebvre/I-Accuse-The-Council


    It says out of stock.

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    « Reply #10 on: November 21, 2012, 10:20:01 PM »
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  • Did ABL really say something in "I Accuse the Council" radically beyond what he said in the numerous ABL books currently in stock and offered at Angelus? For instance, one can buy "They Have Uncrowned Him? by ABL right now from that website. They can buy "An Open Letter to Confused Catholics." Is there some special aggressive theological points or claims he makes in "I Accuse the Council" that justifies the claim that the Society is refusing to print it on purpose?


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    « Reply #11 on: November 22, 2012, 05:15:53 AM »
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    Did ABL really say something in "I Accuse the Council" radically beyond what he said in the numerous ABL books currently in stock and offered at Angelus? For instance, one can buy "They Have Uncrowned Him? by ABL right now from that website. They can buy "An Open Letter to Confused Catholics." Is there some special aggressive theological points or claims he makes in "I Accuse the Council" that justifies the claim that the Society is refusing to print it on purpose?


    I read the book some years ago. If I remember well it is a collection of his interventions at the Council.

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    I Accuse the Council! by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
    « Reply #12 on: November 22, 2012, 09:07:36 AM »
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  • In looking at the Angelus Website, "I Accuse the Council" is not only out of
    stock but has not been rated. A very popular book that may have sold
    thousands of copies have not been rated yet, that is suspicious. And,
    unbelievable.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 22, 2012, 09:17:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: Santo Subito
    Did ABL really say something in "I Accuse the Council" radically beyond what he said in the numerous ABL books currently in stock and offered at Angelus? For instance, one can buy "They Have Uncrowned Him? by ABL right now from that website. They can buy "An Open Letter to Confused Catholics." Is there some special aggressive theological points or claims he makes in "I Accuse the Council" that justifies the claim that the Society is refusing to print it on purpose?


    I'll admit, I haven't read the book yet (perhaps someone here who has can better answer that question). But I suspect it has a lot to do with the title of the book itself. The neo-SSPX seems to be suppressing any books that are blatantly and openly accusing the Second Vatican Council or any of the post-Pius XII popes of propagating errors.

    But who knows, perhaps they will get around to reprinting it sometime. In which case, Matthew could remove the link in the OP.
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    « Reply #14 on: November 24, 2012, 01:27:20 PM »
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    Why is the Society not printing this book anymore?

    Since there is no deal, will they restart?


    Maybe they are holding out for business reasons...  

    ...if it's true that this book is selling on ebay for hundreds of dollars, maybe they are biding their time.  In the future they may republish it at $29 per book.  It could be a business decision.


    There was an earlier thread, a few months ago here, saying that a phone call
    to Angelus Press revealed that not only was it out of print, that also, it was not
    on the list of books to be reprinted.  When asked why not, there was no answer,
    but rather the answer to a different question was proffered.  (When you ask one
    question and you get a response that logically answers a different question, it
    should be an indication to you that the person answering is attempting to avoid
    the question you had asked, while protecting himself against your accusation that
    he is not being cooperative or helpful.)  The different question that was answered
    would have been:  "How can I expect to obtain a copy for sale at MSRP (instead
    of resorting to market prices on eBay or whatever) if you are out of stock and you
    hold the copyright, and you do not plan on reprinting it?"   For the forthright
    rejoinder was, "You could call around to the various bookstores that carry Angelus
    books, and perhaps, you could find one that still has a copy on the shelf for you."

    When a company employee in the customer service department has such a
    response at the ready, it is a clear sign that his employer has instructed him to
    answer thusly to such inquiry.  And, by extension, when a manager has cause to
    instruct service employees in such matters, it is usually a strong indicator that
    a "higher authority" has given a directive in this same vein.

    We might easily induce the directive itself, all considered.  It seems to me that
    it would have been as follows:  the Menzingen-denizens disseminate the order,
    that  A)  this book shall be allowed to run out of stock without putting it on any
    list for being reprinted,  B)  once it does in fact run out of stock, it shall then not
    be placed on any list to be reprinted until further notice from us,  C)  when anyone
    calls or writes inquiring about the availability of this title, the answer should be
    given to check around for a used copy or to go looking for a bookstore that has
    one copy for sale left on their shelf.  

    Furthermore, we may be so bold as to presume that Angelus service reps have
    made a prudential decision to divulge the fact that there is no plan to reprint the
    book, which action effects a revelation that had not been part of the Menzingen
    control message, and therefore something that provides us the key to the real
    story, a key that the Menzingen-denizens had been trying to conceal - like they
    have done with the "Doctrinal Preamble" all these years.

    If all this is true - and if it is not, I invite any qualified representative to answer
    why, in specifics, that it is not true - but if it is true, there are consequences to
    this state of affairs.  Such consequences are not outside the domain of this
    thread, as they are consequent to its direct effects.  Since the OP contains in
    itself the seed of the material in question, that is, the book itself, there is nothing
    keeping readers and members henceforth from exploring reasonable answers to
    the aforementioned questions, e.g.:  Are there some special, aggressive
    theological points or claims that the author makes in I Accuse the Council!
    that justify the claim in whole or in part, that the Society, on purpose, is refusing
    to reprint it?

    The same question can be asked of the Society's reticence regarding the
    Doctrinal Preamble, and the answer to the most simple question of what is it
    about Eleison Comments that has been incorrect or improper, AND the Vatican's
    reticence regarding the contents of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    Of those three things, the only one that comes close is the ECs, because we
    have the contents of them and the book as well.  We do not, however, have
    the contents of the Preamble or the Third Secret.




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