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Evolution is not science, but (bad) philosophy
« on: August 02, 2012, 11:54:32 AM »
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  • This is a very nice production, something like Nova, but Nova would never
    produce such a thing. I recommend this for home schoolers, especially when
    the students are interested in geology, earth sciences or biology. The first
    topic covered is the monumental and simple experiment in 1668 by Francesco
    Redi to disprove spontaneous generation, using three flasks of decaying meat.
    Do look beyond the "gross" aspect of this description to see the principle
    it teaches: that life comes from life, and life does not come from non-life.
    Two centuries later, evolutionists had entirely forgotten the principle learned
    in 1668, and attempted to teach that bacteria generate spontaneously. Louis
    Pasteur showed by experiment that this is not the case. Then 100 years
    later, they did it again, saying that life could spring spontaneously from
    a primordial earth atmosphere. Two probes were sent to Mars at great
    expense, trying to find life generated from non-living matter on the Martian
    soil. This video summarizes the story in an attractive, narrative style.

    Then scientists from various countries are interviewed regarding evolution, to
    show that a growing number of credible experts are discarding the non-
    scientific philosophy of evolution theory, and that evolution is not really even
    an acceptable hypothesis. Very interesting material.

    Evolution: Fact or Belief


    (If you want more technical background then watch the video linked
    at the bottom first, and then watch this one; but if you do not want to
    learn all the technical language and just want the main points as given
    by international scientists then watch this video first and forget the second
    one, below)

    Program produced by a voluntary non-profit organization to determine whether the theory of
    evolution can be considered as a valid scientific theory -- the conclusion must be that the
    theory of evolution is not supported by science. Many scientists and teachers have accepted the
    theory because they believe it to be a scientific fact. Those scientists that have investigated it
    have found out that evolution theory is a belief and not a scientific fact.

    Fundamental Experiments on Stratification -- by Pierre Julien & Guy Berthault
    Published by: The Geological Society of France 1993
    Guy Berthault's experiments published by: French Academy of Sciences 1986
    Geological Society of France 1993, Russian Academy of Sciences Journal "Lithological and
    mineral Resources 2002"
    Stratification experiments presented to: French National Congress of Sedimentology 1993
    International Congress of Sedimentology 1994
    European Congress of Sedimentology 1995
    Powders and Grains Conference USA 1997
    European Geoscience Union Nice 2004

    Produced by: Sarong (Jersey) LTD (1:13:05)


    An introduction to geological terminology as applies to these new discoveries:

    (Excerpts from this video are included in the Evolution video, above -- if you
    are interested in the technical terminology, this video is good to see first. Or,
    if you watch the above video and want more background because you did
    not really comprehend the stratigraphy and sedimentology concepts, then
    watch the following video, perhaps several times, and then go back and
    watch the first one again, after having been better prepared. It might take
    viewings on several occasions over several weeks to let thses ideas sink in,
    because they are not simple, and you won't find them taught in science class
    in schools these days.)

    Experiments in Stratification


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    « Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM »
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  • The important point of these two videos, and especially the work of Guy Berthault
    (pronounced Gee Bearthough) is to show how the presumed billions of years in
    the history of earth has no scientific foundation, based on geology.

    Berthault goes back to the very first principles of stratigraphy, which were proclaimed
    hundreds of years ago with inadequate or no empirical foundation, and he shows by
    experimental study that what we see, for example, in the Grand Canyon of Colorado
    is explainable as the consequence of a few weeks' time, rather than years, or
    thousands of years, or millions of years or billions of years.

    The end result is, that if evolutionists are deprived the sacred eons of time that
    their theory requires, and all of science has to re-adjust to the "news" that the
    earth is actually much younger than previously presumed, they have no basis for
    their ridiculous hypothesis, and a number of things go up in smoke, one of them
    being the bad philosophy of evolution.

    Berthault's research has been public record for many years now, and no one has
    dared to attempt to refute him, nor can they, because his methods are meticulous
    and his conclusions are based scientifically on empirical experimentation. Anyone
    is welcome to conduct the same studies, and they will always get the same results,
    because this is how particles of sand, silt and minerals behave when subject to
    moving water. These are the facts of nature.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2012, 08:24:18 PM »
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  • Good video! I had my whole family watch it.

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  • Insidebaseball is doing the right thing.  How about you?  



    This is really a great movie to see.

    If only it could be made into DVDs for distribution.  I'm concerned that the
    YouTube version will disappear one day and then nobody will be able to see it.

    Biology professors at just about every high school and college would bristle
    with passion if they had to see this movie.  It puts all of their nonsense
    doctrines to shame.  Even 30 years ago these things were known - what is
    taking so long????

    How can LIES continue to be taught in schools when the truth is known for
    decades that destroys the lies?  

    Please watch the movie and share it with your friends.











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  • Here is a transcript of a portion near the end of this video.  There is more
    material immediately following this that covers the topic of mutation and
    genetic variation, with the overriding observation that in no studies or
    experiments anywhere in the world has it been found that new genetic
    material can be formed.  All mutations are either neutral or harmful.

    But evolutionists rely on the theory that new genetic material results
    from mutations.  

    This fantasy is destroyed by two observable facts, which the evolutionists
    conveniently ignore or in some cases, attempt to deny by saying that it
    isn't true.  But they have no evidence for their insincere claims, only
    attitude and pretension of confidence.

    The first one is, as above, mutations have never yet produced any
    positive results nor any new genetic material.  And the second one is,
    that all living cells actively work to CORRECT mutations in the genes
    and to return the repaired genetic material into the cell's operations
    which include procreation of new cells.  Therefore, the false claim of
    evolutionists that mutant genes accuмulate in cells until some kind of
    'breakout' of a new genetic structure occurs is exposed as nonsense.
    There is no coordination between cells and no organization for any
    objective 'new' offspring that could result in a new species.  



    Here is the transcript:

    50:25 (Pierre Julien speaking)
    Evolutionary theory is based upon the belief that a succession of fossil species in a
    scale of geological time demonstrates that evolutionary progress has taken place.
    As we have seen, however, and as we have shown in a laboratory, layers of incoming
    sediment have been wrongly identified as being strata.  The scale of geological time
    and chronological succession of fossils have been calculated on this mistaken
    belief that strata are successive layers of sediment.  

    A single layer of sediment can sort itself out into parts of many strata.  So the
    position of fossils in the rock strata could simply indicate the ecological zones
    of marine species.  Stratigraphy as interpreted by observable facts and experimental
    data challenges a geological time scale, and therefore, evolutionary theory.  

    How old is the earth?  Is it millions of years?  Or just a few thousand years?  
    And what does radiometric dating tell us about the age of rocks?  The science of
    physical chemistry can shed some light on these questions.  And Professor
    Edward Bordreaux is a physical inorganic chemist who teaches at a university
    in New Orleans in Louisiana, and he's studied these matters.  So he should
    be able to help us.  

    Professor Bordreaux, it is explained elsewhere in the program that the strata
    and the fossils in the rock can give no indication of the age of those rocks.
    Can you tell us if there are any other methods that the rocks of the strata
    could be dated, for example, by carbon 14 dating?  

    Let us get one thing clear about carbon 14.  It is an unstable radioactive
    form of the element carbon, which occurs in all living matter.  A living
    organism, when it is alive is absorbing and expelling carbon, and a
    small amount of which is carbon 14.  And at some point in time when
    that organism dies, the carbon 14 that was present and remaining at the
    point of death is what would be detected, radioactively.  A piece of
    wood, for example, or a bone, would contain a small amount of carbon
    14.  When the tree which bore the wood or the animal which bore the
    bone died, that carbon 14 that remained is decaying.  It takes thousands
    of years for that decaying process to occur, about 5,760 years, for about
    half of the original amount of carbon 14 to decay.  So by measuring
    how much of it has decayed, an indication of how long ago the
    organism was alive can be obtained.  As rocks were never alive, they
    contain no carbon 14.  Even fossils in the rocks cannot be dated by
    this method, because the original living matter in them has turned
    into stone.  

    Does this mean that the fossils can't be dated by radioisotopes?  

    Well, certainly not by carbon 14 with any degree of reliability.  As
    you know, virtually all the fossils are found in sedimentary rocks,
    and because this type of rock rarely contains radioactive elements,
    the fossils have had to be dated by rock strata in which they are
    found.  And as you know, the latest expriments have shown that
    rock strata give no indication of age.  

    Other types of rocks, such as crystalline rocks, which do not
    contain fossils, and lava which do sometimes contain radioactive
    elements, and these isotopes are used to date them.  

    Can you tell us, in simple terms, how you date a fossil or a
    rock with a radioisotope?  

    Yes.  Let us take a radioactive element such as uranium.  This element
    decays very slowly into a non-radioactive element, which is lead.  Now
    the rate of decay can be measured in the laboratory.  So by comparing
    what's left of the uranium element in the rock with the amount of the
    decayed lead element that was formed, and knowing the rate of decay,
    an idea can be had of how long it has taken for the lead to form.  

    So, if half of the uranium has decayed into lead, and knowing how long
    it takes for uranium to decay into lead, you can tell the age of the rock.

    That's the theory!

    Why do you say "theory?"  Surely if there's a process you can observe, and
    measure, it must be a fact!  

    Not at all.  Look again at the diagram.  You can see that there are a number
    of uranium particles, the orange ones, and a number of lead particles, the
    blue ones.  Here we have to make three major assumptions:  the first is,
    that all of the lead particles were originally uranium particles.  But there
    is no reason to believe that there were not some lead particles in the
    rock when it was formed. You see, there is lots of natural lead particles
    in rocks that doesn't come from uranium at all.  

    Really?  

    Yes! Let us take the extreme case.  If this rock contained radioactive
    uranium and no lead, then the lead that would appear as a consequence
    to the uranium decay would be a fairly accurate measurement of the
    age of that rock.  Or to take a more likely situation, that at least some
    of the lead was in the rock when it was formed, then the age of the
    rock is much less than we are led to believe.  Then there's the matter
    of leaking out, due to solublility.

    Could that happen?

    Most definitely!  Salts of uranium and other radioactive elements are
    quite capable of dissolving in water and therefore will be removed
    from the sample.  So if the rock had been exposed to water for
    some period of time, such as during a flood, some of the uranium
    could have been washed out.  This would mean that the age
    ascribed to the rock would be much too great.  

    But surely, there must be other radioactive material and elements
    which are more reliable than uranium.

    Well, there's radioactive thorium, and there is strontium and
    ribidium, and there's potassium, but these are no more reliable
    than uranium.  The salts of these latter elements are even more
    soluble in water than uranium salts.  

    So, a worldwide flood would have made all these methods useless!!

    Most definitely!  Let me give you an example of how water can
    affect radioactive dating.  Less than 200 years ago, the Hawaiian
    volcano, Kia Luai erupted, and the lava which emerged from that
    eruption was submerged in water.  It was subsequently dated by
    the potassium-argon method.  Clearly, it should have shown the
    age of the lava to be only 200 years.  The date recorded,
    however, was 22 millions years.  Obviously, the highly soluble
    potassium salt had leaked out of the sample and left it looking
    very old.  Other samples, taken from Halua-eii volcano lava,
    from 1801, were dated between 160 million and 3,000 million
    years old.  

    The situation gets worse and worse!  

    Also, another assumption in radiometric dating, and that is
    that the rate of decay has remained constant and has not been
    influenced in the past.  There are a number of things that could
    have influenced rates of decay.  

    Such as?  

    Well, the ah, production of neutrinos from cosmic radiation could
    have been enhanced by a reversal of the earth's magnetic field or
    an explosion of a supernova in a nearby star!  Science has proclaimed
    that these kind of events have occurred in the past.  And they could
    have a substantial effect therefore, on the radioactive decay rate.  

    So, if radiometric dating is no guide, what other methods are
    available?  

    There are a great many natural processes that will date the earth to
    be relatively young.  For example, if the compelling evidence
    that the earth's magnetic feild has been decreasing with time is
    a fact, then we would find that the earth would be rather young,
    than old.  

    One final question, Professor Bordreaux,  in your opinion, how long
    ago did the big-bang take place?  

    The whole big-bang hypothesis was constructed to support evolution
    theory.  Without evolution theory, there is no big-bang!
    59:55

    It's difficult to believe that all those biologists, zoologists and other
    scientists could be wrong, after all, they've been trained in the world's
    leading universities.  Perhaps Professor Machi Giertych from the Polish
    Academy of Science Institute of Dendrology, who lectures in
    population genetics at Taurin University in Poland can help us.

    The good scientist is one who bases his conclusions on experimental
    data and observation.  The genetics, psychology, anatomy or any other
    field of experimental sciences, is good and reliable, regardless of what
    he thinks of evolution.  Science works everywhere this way.  Where
    things do go wrong, is where someone claims to be an expert in
    evolution.  

    Why do you say that?  

    Because evolution is not a science!! It is a philosophy.

    Since scientists trust each other, they often accept the claim
    of evolutionists that evolution is a science.  But it is not.  It is
    the opinion of theoretical biologists and philosophers that  
    evolution is a science.

    But is there no scientific evidence for evolution?

    What is claimed to be the evidence for evolution is the
    universally observable fact that every organism has parents,
    at least one parent.  This coupled with the knowledge that
    there was a time when there was no ants, no frogs, no men,
    leads to the unscientific postulate that the first frog was
    born of a non-frog, the first ant of a non-ant, the first human
    of a non-human, and so on.

    Why do you say this idea is unscientific?

    Because available evidence does not support it.  The
    science of genetics clearly shows that such change is not
    possible.  

    The evolutionists goes even further.  They claim that living
    things evolved from non-living matter.

    But if there is no scientific data to support the evolutionist
    claims how can they manage to convince so many other
    scientists that evolution is a scientific fact?  

    Their main argument is that there are small, positive, or
    beneficial mutations that occur in the reproduction cells
    and are retained by natural selection.  These mutations
    they say, accuмulate, and cause a species to gradually
    change into another species.  1:02:50

    Now, I'm a geneticist, and I can confirm that in all these
    studies, in all laboratories around the world, where many
    generations of organisms have been produced, no where
    have positive mutations have ever been observed.  And
    also, in the most studied population of all, the human
    population, all the mutations are either neutral or
    harmful.  They are never an improvement.  In fact, nature
    has programmed to protect genes from mutations, and to
    correct errors that have occurred.  


    ... no new genetic material has yet to result from life processes ...

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    « Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 10:26:52 AM »
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  • In geology, at the University of Texas at least, and not so long ago, even after the invention of televisison, they used to date things from Noah's flood.

    Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory but a metaphysical research program. I said this exact thing a long time ago and did not know Karl Popper had said the same thing. Maybe you have said it as well?

    I also figured and said, "this is no country for old men", and did not know WB Yeats had said the same thing in "Sailing to Byzantium". Maybe you have seen that as well?

    Maybe you figured that "when you come to the fork in the road, you should take it", like Yogi Berra? and that "you should go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't go to yours."

    There is a lot of common ground in the truth that people can find without ideological indoctrination. It's just there because it is true. Darwinism is not scientific and many people naturally and intuitively sense that. It is only Freemasonic and Marxist indoctrination and brain washing.

    Although many people sense it, they do not have the confidence to reject it. The NWO, however, must have it and heliocentrism to continue its international ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic program, imo. Darwinism is rather Satanic, like lies and "the mystery of the Beast", the "leviathan of baphomet". People who act on it socially are acting in Satanic ways.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 09, 2013, 02:24:08 AM »
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  • That's very interesting, Donachie.  I had never heard that about The
    University of Texas.  Thank you!  

    I would like to draw particular attention to this segment and
    words I have rendered in bold:



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    Or to take a more likely situation, that at least some
    of the lead was in the rock when it was formed, then the age of the
    rock is much less than we are led to believe.  Then there's the matter
    of leaking out, due to solubility.

    Could that happen?

    Most definitely!  Salts of uranium and other radioactive elements are
    quite capable of dissolving in water and therefore will be removed
    from the sample.
     So if the rock had been exposed to water for
    some period of time, such as during a flood, some of the uranium
    could have been washed out.  This would mean that the age
    ascribed to the rock would be much too great.


    But surely, there must be other radioactive material and elements
    which are more reliable than uranium.

    Well, there's radioactive thorium, and there is strontium and
    ribidium, and there's potassium, but these are no more reliable
    than uranium.  The salts of these latter elements are even more
    soluble in water
    than uranium salts.

    So, a worldwide flood would have made all these methods useless!!

    Most definitely!
    Let me give you an example of how water can
    affect radioactive dating.  Less than 200 years ago, the Hawaiian
    volcano, Kia Luai erupted, and the lava which emerged from that
    eruption was submerged in water.  It was subsequently dated by
    the potassium-argon method.  Clearly, it should have shown the
    age of the lava to be only 200 years.  The date recorded,
    however, was 22 millions years. Obviously, the highly soluble
    potassium salt had leaked out of the sample and left it looking
    very old.  Other samples, taken from Halua-eii volcano lava,
    from 1801, were dated between 160 million and 3,000 million
    years old.


    The situation gets worse and worse!  

    ////




    In another report, in a different video, I saw a dolphin that was found
    dead on a beach in Hawaii, and had obviously just died recently, for
    its flesh was still in a process of decay, so they took some of its bones
    and tested them with carbon 14 dating and found readings of many
    millions of years old.  Evolutionists don't like to cite that study at all.



    I had heard some brief allusions to the effects of a worldwide flood on
    paleontology and the various geological timescales in use - on which
    there is so much disagreement that embarrasses the paleontologists
    and geologists (which they do not like to admit in public because it
    gives them a undignified image).  But it wasn't until I saw this video
    and saw it again, and thought about it, and slept on it, and then came
    back months later (I first posted this thread 9 months ago) and saw
    it again and transcribed a portion and read it over -- then I realized
    what is going on:  

    Evolutionists MOCK and DERIDE anyone
    who believes in a worldwide flood, because
    if that is what happened, then ALL OF THE
    SO-CALLED SCIENTIFIC DATING METHODS
    FOR ESTABLISHING THE AGE OF ROCKS,
    FOSSILS AND GEOLOGICAL 'AGES' ARE
    UTTERLY DESTROYED.


    There is no such thing as knowing how old any fossil is, if there was
    a worldwide flood.  

    Therefore no evolution theory can ever be tested using fossils or
    studies in rocks as the evolutionists so dearly claim they can do.



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    I really wish I could have put this all in the first post but I keep forgetting
    to include stuff.  This topic is really upsetting to me.  It is a lot like GREC-
    we have been lied to, and for a long time.  

    When you watch this excellent movie/interview/docuмentary on YouTube,
    when you come to the end, YouTube (as always) presents a list of similar
    videos for you to see.  

    If you liked this video, you're going to love
    the other ones listed.  They are all GREAT.



    There are numerous pro-biblical videos about science and nature that are
    in such obvious contradiction to the everyday nonsense we see on the
    MSM, news and political speeches.  It is really incredible that these
    excellent movies and videos are still viewable on the Internet - but they
    may not always be there, so you ought to try to take some time to look
    them over, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HOMESCHOOL, or even if you have
    children who you would like to provide with some great substance to
    support their faith, before it is too late!  


    It is incredible to me that after two entire years, there have only been
    155 views of !

    Here are some other videos in the same collection:

    Evolution: Fact or Belief











    Evolution - Fact or Belief - Geology - Stratification - Sedimentary Layering


     :popcorn:



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  • I enjoyed the first video.  It's amazing how things like natural selection, actually prove/do the opposite of what we're taught they do.  Also, science on stratification and carbon dating demonstrate how ridiculous the garbage is they teach us.  It is sad how backwards our politics, have made our  education.  Again, the opposite of what we're taught:  catholicism was supposed to be anti-science, but it turns out the anti-catholics, are the ones who are anti-science.  
    We are true israel and israel is in bondage.  

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  • .

    If you find that a video doesn't work or has been removed, you can find out whether there is another version of it on YouTube or Vimeo or anywhere else on the Internet, if you search for the title of the video, and/or the producer or author or other data.  This is why it's important to include the title of the video when you post a link on CI, because if you only post the URL address on YouTube or whatever, a reader in the future might just get a blank screen with nothing to go by.  But if you provide the title, producer, or author, or even the subject matter with any key players (such as Guy Berthault or Pierre Julien, for example) then the seeker has something to look for.



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    It is incredible to me that after two entire years, there have only been 155 views of !



    That YouTube video has been removed and the same video has another address, uploaded in Jan 2011 (1,386 views as of today):


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/1XvbbE_VwC8[/youtube]




    Here are some other videos in the same collection (I've replaced the obsolete links from the above post with ones that work):

    (same as the one embedded, above)

    (uploaded Sep. 11, 2013, 4,888 views today)

    (uploaded 2008, 10,492 views)
    (same video, uploaded Mar. 13, 2011, 713 views)

    (With subtitles in Dutch apparently, uploaded Aug. 23, 2013, 468 views)

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    (Uploaded on Nov 8, 2010, 316,736 views -- Journalist and Researcher Richard Milton of England talks for a half hour on a UFOTV summary/promotional "interview" (advertisment for a product on UFOTV) in which he describes his own outlook which is neither 'evolutionist' nor 'creationist' but something in between, and how he has been harassed by critics AS THOUGH he were a "kook" or in need of "psychiatric treatment" for believing in a "worldwide flood" -- might not be appropriate for younger children in homeschooling, but when they're older, like 16 or second half of high school or preparing for college, this could be helpful for them to see what they're going to be facing.  I recommend parents to view this in private before showing it to your children.  No profanity, but Milton teaches that it's okay to believe in evolution AND in special creation, which is not uncommon in Newchurch, but is untenable if you are to believe what the Church has always taught and what the Bible clearly describes in Genesis.  With over 316,000 views, this is obviously popular, and I would surmise it is so because a lot of people like to see excuses for how they can accept 'evolution' and still get along with the Bible.......
    Unfortunately, for the past 105 years, the Church has not forbidden the discussion of whether or not man has 'evolved' from lower life forms, even while there has never been any evidence that such 'evolution' has occurred and the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming..........................)


    Evolution - Fact or Belief - Geology - Stratification - Sedimentary Layering
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    Offline Cuthbert

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    Evolution is not science, but (bad) philosophy
    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 11:16:09 PM »
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  • Thank you for this magnificent series of videos & articles Neil, nobody of good will would obstinately persist in upholding the supposed veracity of the pernicious doctrine of evolution when confronted by the mountain of evidence which proves its absurdity. Its supporters are actuated by at best pride & vanity (I've been brainwashed by a modern professor & you haven't.), or else by outright malice.