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From what I have read of Double Crossed: Uncovering the Catholic Church's Betrayal of American Nuns by Kenneth Briggs so far, the reason female religious got hit the hardest after Vatican II (teaching sisters down 94%, much worse than priestly vocations!) is because of Vatican II's leveling of the married and religious states (and lay and sacerdotal states):
Quote from: Chapter Four: Vatican II: Unforeseen Consequences
The most comprehensive was the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium) because, as the U.S. Constitution did for the United States, it provided Catholics a basic understanding of how the Church defined itself. Among its stunning conclusions: Roman Catholicism no longer insisted that it was the “one true church,” and clergy and hierarchy ceased ranking above the laity. Baptism was the ticket that admitted all Catholics equally to the Church as the “people of God”; it was similar to the rights conferred by citizenship in democracies. Other distinctions in the Church, such as ordination, important as they might be, were to be considered secondary to that godly peoplehood. Of most significance to nuns was the startling claim about what it meant to be holy. The bishops scuttled the idea that some (primarily nuns, priests, and bishops) should aim to be holy while most laity need not bother. In its place, they insisted that holiness is the responsibility of every Catholic. Precisely this pursuit of holiness had elevated nuns and priests to a level above that of the laity. Now the mystique was threatened. A single phrase had ended a virtual monopoly.
and because of the difficulty in upholding the vow of obedience (even more difficult than that of chastity), among other reasons.
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  • The bishops scuttled the idea that some (primarily nuns, priests, and bishops) should aim to be holy while most laity need not bother. In its place, they insisted that holiness is the responsibility of every Catholic.
    Were the bishops not correct in this? Is holiness not the responsibility of every Catholic?

    Surely it's not impossible to elevate the religious life without dismissing the necessity of holiness for the laity.

    I was introduced to a book recently that equated pre-VII popes to modern feminists for their mutual role in belittling the vocation of motherhood. My visceral reaction was that the comparison was insane, but maybe there's a least a grain of truth to the premise.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...


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  • I was introduced to a book recently that equated pre-VII popes to modern feminists for their mutual role in belittling the vocation of motherhood.
    To be a spiritual mother is a greater thing than to be a biological mother, isn't it?
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  • To be a spiritual mother is a greater thing than to be a biological mother, isn't it?
    I see the two more like possibly achieving an A (laity) versus an A+ (religious) rather than like a D and an A+. The A+ is better in both comparisons, but is it true that the pre-VII Church saw parenting as never better than a "D" and eliminated the possibility of achieving holiness as a lay person?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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  •  after Vatican II (teaching sisters down 94%, much worse than priestly vocations!
    They went from submissive nuns to directors of Dioceses, running the show. Women run the show today.

    That is why few men go to mass, other than few men that go because of their wives or children.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


     

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