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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Library => Topic started by: Cornelius on March 22, 2023, 06:01:44 PM
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Sourced from this French website: https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2021/02/07/organigramme-eveques-nuc-2/
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I don't know how to get in touch with who updates this list. However, under Bishop Dolan their should be the consecration of Bishop Da Silva, then Bishop Da Silva who consecrated Bishop McGuire. Bishop Sanborn also consecrated Bishop Fleiss (maybe misspelled) with Bishop Selway as the co-consecrator.
How many bishops are there in Europe and what are they all like? I am from the states so we do not hear much about them. The only one we hear about once in a while is Bishop Stuyver and that's because of his relationship with Bishop Sanborn.
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I don't know how to get in touch with who updates this list. However, under Bishop Dolan their should be the consecration of Bishop Da Silva, then Bishop Da Silva who consecrated Bishop McGuire. Bishop Sanborn also consecrated Bishop Fleiss (maybe misspelled) with Bishop Selway as the co-consecrator.
How many bishops are there in Europe and what are they all like? I am from the states so we do not hear much about them. The only one we hear about once in a while is Bishop Stuyver and that's because of his relationship with Bishop Sanborn.
I wouldn't know. I'm from Florida.
I think the guy who puts it together is actually Italian, as the key is the same as another organigram I found dated to 2017. You've probably seen it before. Haven't seen any contact info, yet. Putting out feelers in the trad/sede groups in Europe, particularly Italy, would probably be the best bet. Might do that soon myself, but don't have any particular reason to right at this moment.
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How many bishops are there in Europe and what are they all like? I am from the states so we do not hear much about them. The only one we hear about once in a while is Bishop Stuyver and that's because of his relationship with Bishop Sanborn.
There is Bp. Cloquelle in Spain and Bp. Huber in Germany.
Bp. Cloquelle was consecrated by Bp. Oravec, and Bp. Huber was consecrated by Bp. Cloquelle.
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This is quite the effort and is very informative.
What jumped out at me, was the episcopal lineage, if it can be called that, of "Pope Pius XIII" (Fr Lucian Pulvermacher), in which he essentially got himself elected in a rump conclave of a few laymen, then invoked his priestly orders to make Gordon Bateman a "bishop", who in turn consecrated him as a bishop.
The chart shows both Pulvermacher and Bateman with a dashed outline around their names, which according to the key is supposed to designate Modernist bishops consecrated in the new rite. That is incorrect.
Too bad Pulvermacher wasn't actually the Pope. He would have made a good one, a far sight better than who we have now (assuming the see is not vacant). Ditto for David Bawden. If you ever watch the docuмentary about him, no, he wasn't "crazy" at all, in fact, he comes across as quite normal, of above-average intelligence. His circuмstances were no more bizarre than those of a rugged, possibly kind of rednecky fisherman who became the first Pope.
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This is quite the effort and is very informative.
What jumped out at me, was the episcopal lineage, if it can be called that, of "Pope Pius XIII" (Fr Lucian Pulvermacher), in which he essentially got himself elected in a rump conclave of a few laymen, then invoked his priestly orders to make Gordon Bateman a "bishop", who in turn consecrated him as a bishop.
The chart shows both Pulvermacher and Bateman with a dashed outline around their names, which according to the key is supposed to designate Modernist bishops consecrated in the new rite. That is incorrect.
Too bad Pulvermacher wasn't actually the Pope. He would have made a good one, a far sight better than who we have now (assuming the see is not vacant). Ditto for David Bawden. If you ever watch the docuмentary about him, no, he wasn't "crazy" at all, in fact, he comes across as quite normal, of above-average intelligence. His circuмstances were no more bizarre than those of a rugged, possibly kind of rednecky fisherman who became the first Pope.
There are definitely errors in the map, but not surprising considering how tangled everything gets. I've actually reached out to the archivist of a diocese in California to get more info on a particular priest, Jose Urbina Aznar.
Question: would an ordination under the new ordination rite by a valid, old rite bishop still be doubtful/invalid?
Also, a redneck pope would be pretty blessed, ngl. :laugh1:
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This is quite the effort and is very informative.
What jumped out at me, was the episcopal lineage, if it can be called that, of "Pope Pius XIII" (Fr Lucian Pulvermacher), in which he essentially got himself elected in a rump conclave of a few laymen, then invoked his priestly orders to make Gordon Bateman a "bishop", who in turn consecrated him as a bishop.
The chart shows both Pulvermacher and Bateman with a dashed outline around their names, which according to the key is supposed to designate Modernist bishops consecrated in the new rite. That is incorrect.
Too bad Pulvermacher wasn't actually the Pope. He would have made a good one, a far sight better than who we have now (assuming the see is not vacant). Ditto for David Bawden. If you ever watch the docuмentary about him, no, he wasn't "crazy" at all, in fact, he comes across as quite normal, of above-average intelligence. His circuмstances were no more bizarre than those of a rugged, possibly kind of rednecky fisherman who became the first Pope.
I was around Fr Pulvermacher in the early 2000s. Good priest, and his website was was my first stop on the road to conversion and he responded to my email about the "crisis" in the Church. And he essentially said, there is no crisis, because the novus ordo isn't Catholic, so stay away from them. To me it's one of those examples of a failed attempt to elect a Pope and it really makes me think the only solution to this is going to be divine intervention.
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I wouldn't know. I'm from Florida.
I think the guy who puts it together is actually Italian, as the key is the same as another organigram I found dated to 2017. You've probably seen it before. Haven't seen any contact info, yet. Putting out feelers in the trad/sede groups in Europe, particularly Italy, would probably be the best bet. Might do that soon myself, but don't have any particular reason to right at this moment.
You must be referring to the list on Terrence Boyle's page: http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Outline.html
That is a pretty comprehensive list, but unfortunately not updated since 2008.