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Online Twice dyed

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Church Teaching or Science: Which is more Certain?
« on: January 08, 2024, 04:52:49 PM »
"Philosophy tells us that truth exists. If there were no truth, science could not exist." pg. 3
I received this with a Christmas card for 2023 from Fr. X, neo-SSPX. I am not sure who wrote it or when...It is printed on a 8 1/2" x 11" sheet, printed on both sides with 2 folds; this results in a 6 page leaflet. I placed Page 6 as Page 1 because it is the Introduction. I suppose it is a gentle rebuttal of: 'The Realist Guide to Religion and Science', 2018 AD., by Fr. Paul Robinson.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Church Teaching or Science: Which is more Certain?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2024, 06:12:23 PM »
Possibly feels guilty about belonging to an organization that promotes Robinson's Modernist Guide to Religion and Science and wants to do a little something to offset the damage being done thereby?


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Re: Church Teaching or Science: Which is more Certain?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2024, 11:24:27 AM »
Right off the bat, we have to distinguish between

Science: the study of the natural world created by God, building up a base of human knowledge based on testing, re-testing, making hypotheses, the Scientific Method, etc.
Anything in this body of knowledge, any experiements done, are ALWAYS welcome to be reconsidered, re-testing, confirmed by other scientists. There ARE NO HERETICS or "deniers" in the world of Science. Only imaginative thinkers and brilliant men who question things, re-test things, think outside the box, and advance humanity's knowledge ever closer to a more perfect grasp of truth and reality.


Science!: See "I f*cking LOVE SCIENCE!", "Trust the Science!", "The Science is settled!", "Most Scientists/Experts consensus is..."
(The F-bomb is on the T shirt, possibly without the *, so I had to include it...)
In Science! there are TONS of heretics who are to be cancelled, burned at the stake, etc. if they go against the consensus, against any of the religious "dogmas" held by Scientists.
This is actually a materialist/pagan religion, believing in all sorts of nonsense (information/being/order coming from nothing, no Creator for the world, etc.) and a religious belief that if you spend enough time, or throw enough money at something, Science! is literally omnipotent. Even solar panels you drive over will be possible with enough "development" or if enough people throw money at it. Also the belief that man can create his replacement, something superior to himself, a literal god ("self aware AI") and many other such errors.

Even though you can't falsify reality or true science, it is obvious to any rational man that "Science!" is a total crock.

P.S. You might be tempted to say, "Burned at the stake? really?" and I'd say YES. What would you call "Doesn't deserve to live?" When you CANCEL someone, make it impossible for them to be hired anywhere, you obviously don't care if they live or die -- and in fact, you DO have a preference: you prefer that they die a slow, painful death on the streets, homeless with no friends, possessions, or income. How is that ANY WORSE than just burning them at the stake?

Offline TheRealMcCoy

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Re: Church Teaching or Science: Which is more Certain?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2024, 11:52:26 AM »
I use the term "scientism".

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Church Teaching or Science: Which is more Certain?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2024, 02:18:31 PM »
Yep, and then they leverage this programmed worship of science into false arguments from authority ... such as what they did to get people to get the jab.  "Trust the science."  They believe that by just using the programmed term "science", they automatically win the argument, and science is taken for granted as being correct, or even having been done at all.  Of course, the real scientists were not stupid.  They knew EXACTLY what the jab was going to do, and intended these effects.  So, the jab was not a "failure" but actually a great success, if we understand what it was actually intended to do.  Now, they had some uncertainty, so they had control groups where many jabs were saline, others had different stuff in them, etc.  They also had some uncertainty about how the general public would react.  So part of the last Plandemic was a learning exercise, and they'll take those lessons learned into the "next one" (that Bill Gates chuckled about).