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Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc  (Read 3914 times)

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2024, 05:27:47 AM »
Thank you for sharing this!  It is a good resource to have access to even if it is not the entire autobiography.  :cowboy:

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2024, 06:40:29 AM »
I think that one of the major takeaways from this is:  Could this have come from a mind that was too impaired to validly confect a Sacrament?  Absurd.  This was written after the consecrations of +des Lauriers, +Carmona, and +Zamora.


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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2024, 07:18:03 AM »
Bishop Kelly also decided that the CMRI were a non-Catholic (Old Catholic) sect because Shuckardt sought ordination/consecration from the Old Catholic Daniel Brown.  Apart from the fact that getting Orders from an Old Catholic doesn't make you an Old Catholic, CMRI asked Brown (born a Catholic) to make a public abjuration before conferring the Orders, and he did so.  Whether the Orders were valid or not is a different matter.  But I see absolutely zero justification for this allegation that they were a non-Catholic sect.

Recall that this was 1971, where most US Catholics were still unaware of the seminary that +Lefebvre had just started (which was a very quiet operation in the beginning) and before there were any +Thuc-line bishops.  CMRI had an elderly pre-V2-ordained priest offering Mass for them, but he retired and then another one left, etc.  So they got to the point that they wanted a more regular situation in terms of having priests.

Of course, the Shuckardt scandals tarred the reputation of the CMRI, and they contemplated changing their name to distance themselves from all that, but then-Father McKenna eventually told them not to bother.
Schuckardt didn't even seek out consecration. He was offered it.

Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2024, 07:48:13 AM »
Yes.  While this English translation of his autobiography gets cut off, what took place has been confirmed.  This priest at Econe went first to +Lefebvre.  +Lefebvre was busy with the seminary and referred him to +Thuc.  +Thuc had been asked by +Lefebvre to run the seminary, but he declined due to his age/health, so +Thuc had time on his hands.  +Thuc likely saw this priest from Econe, sent to him by +Lefebvre, as an implicit request from +Lefebvre for him to go with the priest to Palmar.

Normally, the Library forum is just mean to post materials and not for discussion, but I posted all that was available.

If anyone has the full biography, even if in other languages, I would appreciate links and I could post the content here.

Archbishop Thuc was mightily slandered by the likes of Bishop Kelly and the SSPV, with that dreadful book "The Sacred and the Profane" (implying that +Thuc was profane).  One of the Nine told me personally that he heard Bishop Kelly say one time, "We can't say they're valid because then people might go to them."
Yes, the book is called "The Sacred and the Profane".  The first part is about Archbishop Thuc.  The second part is about Bishop Mendez and Bishop Kelly.  Using their own sequence, it would lead one to think that the first part (Archbishop Thuc) is actually "the sacred".  And the second part, therefore ...

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Re: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2024, 08:24:28 AM »
Yes, the book is called "The Sacred and the Profane".  The first part is about Archbishop Thuc.  The second part is about Bishop Mendez and Bishop Kelly.  Using their own sequence, it would lead one to think that the first part (Archbishop Thuc) is actually "the sacred".  And the second part, therefore ...

LOL ... never thought of that.  They should have called it "The Profane and the Sacred" (based on what they intended to show).  It's ironic, though, that if there's a question about anyone's mental state, it would be that of Bishop Mendez.  He had a stroke just a month or so before the consecration, in the immediate aftermath of which he did not recognize close relatives and was incoherent.  Bishop Sanborn and Father Cekada both wrote satirical treatments of that.  Now, they recognize the validity of the Mendez ordinations/consecration, but they were making a solid point with the satires.