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Author Topic: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version  (Read 7329 times)

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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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  • Oh BS. I will not listen to you and your high NO thinking. The crap you're talking is as old as this crisis and I've heard it more times than I can remember from other advocates of NO thinking. Whatever you do, do not listen to Fr. Altenbach, please don't even be tempted to click on the link. :facepalm:
    You have a very blessed Lord's Day too, Stubborn.

    You remind me of a professor at STAS who kept referring to the West-Syriac liturgy as the "Marianite" Rite...in LITURGY class.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
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  • You have a very blessed Lord's Day too, Stubborn.

    You remind me of a professor at STAS who kept referring to the West-Syriac liturgy as the "Marianite" Rite...in LITURGY class.
    Thank you and you do the same.

    The best way to learn is to learn from those who've been there and have wounds from fighting on the battle field, so have first hand experience dealing with almost all aspects of this crisis.

    When you get kicked out of your rectory and parish, travel the country for decades, preaching, administering sacraments and saying true Mass in garages and other makeshift rooms for the spiritually starved and totally confused faithful, at that point I will listen to you - because by then you'd be preaching the same truth as the priests I referenced, instead of the NO theology you're preaching now.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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  • The best way to learn is to learn from those who've been there and have wounds from fighting on the battle field, so have first hand experience dealing with almost all aspects of this crisis.

    And you assume that Elwin and I don’t have similar experience?  I know a little bit about Church History but trust me that Elwin has more knowledge in his left pinky finger about it than you and I have combined.  You’d do well to listen lest you simply label anything that doesn’t fit in with your narrow mind as “Novus Ordo”.

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  • Then you are ignorant and should remain silent on all these matters.

    I cannot frame that in any manner more charitably. You admit knowing nothing about Eastern Churches or pluriform liturgical rites both east AND WEST. That is worse than sophomoric.
    Good morning Elwin, are you familiar with Fr. Victor J. Pospishil? If so, is he a reliable source for learning about the Eastern Churches? I ask because I read that he advocated for liberal revisions of Church law regarding divorce, and I am unaware if he was liberal in other aspects of his ecclesiology as well 
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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  • And you assume that Elwin and I don’t have similar experience?  I know a little bit about Church History but trust me that Elwin has more knowledge in his left pinky finger about it than you and I have combined.  You’d do well to listen lest you simply label anything that doesn’t fit in with your narrow mind as “Novus Ordo”.
    I guarantee you and he don't have similar experience because of your posts. You' do well to listen to Fr. Altenbach lest you simply label anything that doesn’t fit in with your NO mind as heresy... https://tinyurl.com/mrxc4k5n
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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  • And you assume that Elwin and I don’t have similar experience?  I know a little bit about Church History but trust me that Elwin has more knowledge in his left pinky finger about it than you and I have combined.  You’d do well to listen lest you simply label anything that doesn’t fit in with your narrow mind as “Novus Ordo”.
    Thank you, but I am really second-rate at Church history -- never published. 🥺
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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  • Thank you, but I am really second-rate at Church history -- never published. 🥺

    Published, shmublished.

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  • Good morning Elwin, are you familiar with Fr. Victor J. Pospishil? If so, is he a reliable source for learning about the Eastern Churches? I ask because I read that he advocated for liberal revisions of Church law regarding divorce, and I am unaware if he was liberal in other aspects of his ecclesiology as well
    I am wholly unfamiliar with Fr. Victor J. Pospishil. Is he an SJ?

    I am familiar with Fr. Robert Taft, SJ, who was a modernist Byzantine academic.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
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  • Good morning Elwin, are you familiar with Fr. Victor J. Pospishil? If so, is he a reliable source for learning about the Eastern Churches? I ask because I read that he advocated for liberal revisions of Church law regarding divorce, and I am unaware if he was liberal in other aspects of his ecclesiology as well
    Fr. Adrian Fortescue was an orientalist. As he is a good source with which to begin a study of the Roman liturgy, so too is hd a good soyrce to begin a study of the Eastern Churches and liturgies.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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  • I am wholly unfamiliar with Fr. Victor J. Pospishil. Is he an SJ?

    I am familiar with Fr. Robert Taft, SJ, who was a modernist Byzantine academic.
    Fr. Adrian Fortescue was an orientalist. As he is a good source with which to begin a study of the Roman liturgy, so too is hd a good soyrce to begin a study of the Eastern Churches and liturgies.
    Thank you for the responses, I appreciate it. Here is the wiki page on Fr. Pospishil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_J._Pospishil

    I saw a book by him referenced here in an older thread, which I cannot find now, about the Eastern Churches. Looked him up and read about his views on divorce which made me wary.
    I actually ordered Fr. Fortescue's Study of the Roman Rite yesterday after reading your recommendation in another thread, so I will begin there (It will probably be a couple years before I can move on to studying the Eastern Churches, I'm a very slow learner :laugh1:)
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.