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Author Topic: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version  (Read 12124 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2024, 03:17:18 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 03, 2024, 01:29:47 PM
Yes, they're nearly identical.  I don't see the word "forever" (or some variation thereof) in either text though, which is what Stubborn was obsessed with.  Such expressions appear earlier in Quo Primum but complete Latin texts of Quod a Nobis appear to be rather elusive.
It's a moot point, Pope Benedict XVI said in his motu that the the true Mass was never abrogated, if the true Mass was never abrogated, what makes you think the law of Quo Primum was abrogated? Just because Pope Paul VI ignored the law does not mean by that act the law was abrogated, it means by that act he broke the law.
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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2024, 03:21:03 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on February 03, 2024, 03:17:18 PM
It's a moot point, Pope Benedict XVI said in his motu that the the true Mass was never abrogated, if the true Mass was never abrogated, what makes you think the law of Quo Primum was abrogated? Just because Pope Paul VI ignored the law does not mean by that act the law was abrogated, it means by that act he broke the law.
Ecclesiastical law, which includes canon law but extends to more such as liturgical law, has 3 ways to alter a previous law: abrogation, obrogation, and derogation. Look them up to see the differences.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2024, 03:43:37 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on February 03, 2024, 03:21:03 PM
Ecclesiastical law, which includes canon law but extends to more such as liturgical law, has 3 ways to alter a previous law: abrogation, obrogation, and derogation. Look them up to see the differences.
Sounds ^ like the same NO bs they've been saying since shortly after V2 and too many still are. Do you think that  you and Lad and any of the conciliar popes would all agree with what you wrote above? Most likely.

You should listen to the whole thing in the below link, but at least skip to the 41 minute mark for his summary comments, should only be a few minutes worth of listening.

 I will take this priest's (later a sede bishop) explanations and all the other priests back in the day who all preached as he did in this recording, which agrees with what the docuмent itself clearly says / which disagrees with you and Lad. Forgive me for that.
https://tinyurl.com/mrxc4k5n
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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2024, 04:02:44 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on February 03, 2024, 03:43:37 PM
Sounds ^ like the same NO bs they've been saying since shortly after V2 and too many still are.
Nothing that I have written has anything to do with the тαℓмυdic - Protestant worship rituals of Paul VI.

Stubborn, how do you ecclesiologically handle the 23 Eastern Catholic Churches ... CHURCHES ... that use distinct liturgies derived from 4 different liturgical families?

How do you handle the presence of no less than 5 distinct, non-Roman liturgical Rites in the Latin Church not counting usages specific to religious orders, and this before Vatican 2?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: 'Quod A Nobis', St. Pius V, Constitution on Breviary, 1568 AD. English Version
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2024, 04:09:35 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on February 03, 2024, 03:17:18 PM
It's a moot point, Pope Benedict XVI said in his motu that the the true Mass was never abrogated, if the true Mass was never abrogated, what makes you think the law of Quo Primum was abrogated? Just because Pope Paul VI ignored the law does not mean by that act the law was abrogated, it means by that act he broke the law.

Ratzinger said lots of things, including many that you would call heretical.  But the question is whether a Pope COULD change the Canon of the Mass (per the Pius XII thread).  Ratzinger was acting/playing "Traditionlist" precisely with a view to reabsorbing the SSPX, which I've been saying for years, and which Ganswein ultimately admitted, so he said lots of things to curry favor with Traditional Catholics.

You keep throwing distractions out there to side-step the main point, which is that St. Pius V also said that the Breviary he promulgated must be used "in perpetuity".
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