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Offline ProtectorofOrder

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Will Feudalism Return?
« on: October 12, 2014, 07:53:17 AM »
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  • Right now with Capitalism unemployment rates are rising rapidly and soon many people won't be able to find jobs. It is a chaotic "cult of mammon or money" based economy system that overthrew the system of the natural order known as Feudalism.

    Capitalism has periods of failure or instability called "Great Depressions" or "Depressions" like in the 1930s and the one that nearly happened in 2008 but what stopped it was regulation of the banks apparently.

    So if it returns to it's original form and collapses do you think this will give Feudalism a chance to return?

    It is getting increasingly harder and harder to get employed in capitalism throughout the world and there is an increasing/high demand for work/employment. The feudal system offered immediate employment for everybody while The Church in the feudal system provided the welfare services for all.

    It could come down to Feudalism(If a revival of it as a political movement happens) vs Socialism.

    What would replace Capitalism? Hopefully Feudalism adapted for this era and a reunification of church and state.


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    « Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 04:50:02 PM »
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  • I guess it is better to be a serf than to be unemployed.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 12, 2014, 06:22:26 PM »
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  • Unemployment leads to homelessness too. Feudalism provides both work and a place to reside in for all along with stable economy.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 12, 2014, 06:38:29 PM »
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  • Feudalism may possibly be the economic system that is rebuilt after the collapse that is likely on the horizon.  But I do not see a large-scale transition from capitalism to feudalism prior to such s collapse.

    And if the collapse comes as soon as I expect, then the true Church won't be in a position (barring supernatural provisions, of course) to serve the role that it apparently previously served in feudalistic economies.  And if you're talking about new church, I think its leaders of late would push toward communism if it is strong enough to have that kind of influence.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 12, 2014, 07:16:11 PM »
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  • Certain trads have been speaking of an "imminent" collapse of the world economy for at least the last 25 years.  Forgive me if I am skeptical.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 12, 2014, 07:53:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dolores
    Certain trads have been speaking of an "imminent" collapse of the world economy for at least the last 25 years.  Forgive me if I am skeptical.


    I don't blame you for being skeptical.  I believe that current conditions are making it look more likely though.  It appears to me that practically everything (economy, morality, etc.) has nose-dived from its previously dismal lever over the past 5 - 8 years or so.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 12, 2014, 08:04:20 PM »
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  • If I may,


    capitalism |ˈkapətlˌizəm|
    noun
    an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.



    In order for capitalism to collapse it must exist first, and please don't mistake the economic system in the West as capitalist. It is fascist, that is owned privately but controlled by the state just like Germany in the 1930's.

    My business complies with over a dozen regulatory agencies (town, county, state, fed).
    We need hundreds of permits, licenses, and registrations.
    Our types of operations, locations, and hours of operation are at the mercy of zoning boards.
    The tax code you liberal minded thieves have levied is punitive and very wrong.
    Some of the employees themselves abuse the company using the power of the state.
    Unions use coercion to protect the lazy, stifle production, and make it impossible to sell what is supposed to be your own, with the support of the state's laws.

    Please stop with the capitalism is failing stuff. It doesn't exist in our nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Western governments have been helping big business and vis a versa for hundreds of years. Think of America's sugar wars in the Banana Republics and England's Boer war. Even the war of 1812 was to punish the US and run up dept for threatening the banksters. Jefferson said that we are saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted that we go where it wills. Big business loves big government and big government loves big business because they work together and there is no freedom in that arrangement for small business. This is fascism!

    Capitalism cannot collapse as it doesn't exist. You are already the serf you wished you were and it all makes me sad.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 12, 2014, 09:24:31 PM »
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  • But the system I am supporting is a reunification of church and state with no secularism. Not any of the "liberal" stuff nor capitalism.

    Blasphemy needs to be punished and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity needs to be strictly banned with them sent to mental asylums for treatment.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 12, 2014, 09:39:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dolores
    Certain trads have been speaking of an "imminent" collapse of the world economy for at least the last 25 years.  Forgive me if I am skeptical.
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    The governments have been engaging large scale deficit spending that has to be paid
    back by future generations. Also, the many unjust wars  that has kept the economy
    going. Your dollars buy less today than 25 years ago. Also, there has really been no
    wage growth since the 1970's in real dollars.
    The unemployment figures are deceptive. Most of the new jobs have been going to
    legal and illegal immigrants whom work for less and standard of living are lower.
    The unemployment among native born Americans are about 25% according to
    John Williams of shadowstats.com.
    In history, WW2 got the world out of the great depression of the 1930's.
    The collapse most likely will not happen after until  WW3 occurs according to Joel
    Skouson.
    It will be a planned war and a planned collapse, all by the ruling elites.
    And the ruling elite wants a feudal system that is unchristian and pro-Marxists.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 12, 2014, 10:04:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder
    But the system I am supporting is a reunification of church and state with no secularism. Not any of the "liberal" stuff nor capitalism.


    At what point do you want this reunification of church and state to occur?  Now?  Amid this crisis?  If so, what church?  The traditional Church is currently too disorganized to fill this role.  New church--well--you said that you don't support of "any of the 'liberal' stuff..."  I would not want to live under the control of any "church" potentially strong enough to fill this role today.

    I'm just going to keep praying for a pope, a good pope, or one who believes in God rather than the three amigos and not God.  Can you imagine the Church having the power of the feudal days with Roncalli, Wojtyla, or Bergoglio at the helm?  Where would "tradition" be in that circuмstance...

    I'm 42 years old and I don't expect living a long life will be long enough for me to see the crisis in the Church resolved.  Until then, reunification of church and state?  No thank you.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 12, 2014, 10:54:41 PM »
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  • I forgot to mention bringing back the traditional church if possible. Traditional feudal system adapted for this era would require a restoration of traditions in the church of course.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 13, 2014, 12:44:23 AM »
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  • Feudalism is a form of governance, not an economic theory. It might replace our current representative republic, but our current economic system is going to have to be replaced by another economic system.

    Our current economic system is indeed Free Market Capitalism - in the only form it can ever exist - a compromised one. True "Laissez-faire" Capitalism can never exist in practice because it is too virulent to thrive - like Ebola in its most aggressive form, it kills the host before it has a chance to propagate itself. Since no halfway sane society would for tolerate for very long the gross abuses and injustices that naturally result from too much capitalism, the state will always (indeed must always) step in and alleviate those abuses by restraining Capitalism (or more accurately, restraining Capitalists) by way of anti-trust laws, child labor laws, union laws, workplace regulation laws, etc, etc, etc... Put simply, Capitalism always leads (paradoxically some might think, but not really) to some form of Socialism (as described by Belloc in The Servile State). As Joe Z states, private ownership in this nation is ultimately controlled by the State - and yet the State is itself in the thrall of International Bankers via the Federal Reserve...

    As Chesterton rightly pointed out, the problem with too much Capitalism is that it results in too few Capitalists. And if we're positing a post-collapse return to Catholic Tradition and Catholic Governance (in other words, a much needed return of Western Civilization to Sanity), then I would venture to guess that we'd adopt an economic theory that is also in line with Catholic morality. The definitive text on Catholic morality with respect to economics remains Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, and the only economic theory that can claim to have been designed specifically to conform to that definitive statement of Catholic economic morality is the aforementioned Messrs. Belloc and Chesterton's Distributism (also known as Proprietorism). Therefore, that would be the replacement I would put forth for our current lamentable condition of State Sponsored Usury known commonly as "Capitalism."

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    « Reply #12 on: October 13, 2014, 12:56:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder
    Right now with Capitalism unemployment rates are rising rapidly and soon many people won't be able to find jobs.


    Incorrect. US unemployment rates have been dropping for over a year.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

    Well over 90 percent of people are employed.

    If you can't find a job, then it is probably you that are flawed, not the economic system.


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    « Reply #13 on: October 13, 2014, 01:04:28 AM »
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    Right now with Capitalism unemployment rates are rising rapidly and soon many people won't be able to find jobs.


    Incorrect. US unemployment rates have been dropping for over a year.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

    Well over 90 percent of people are employed.

    If you can't find a job, then it is probably you that are flawed, not the economic system.



    I'm referring to international unemployment rates increasing and how they will skyrocket in long term when added up. Not just the U.S but in countries like Australia and the U.K included.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 01:23:39 AM »
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  • Quote from: ProtectorofOrder
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    Right now with Capitalism unemployment rates are rising rapidly and soon many people won't be able to find jobs.


    Incorrect. US unemployment rates have been dropping for over a year.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

    Well over 90 percent of people are employed.

    If you can't find a job, then it is probably you that are flawed, not the economic system.



    I'm referring to international unemployment rates increasing and how they will skyrocket in long term when added up. Not just the U.S but in countries like Australia and the U.K included.


    UK rate is down from 7.7 to 6.2.  Considering how many unemployable bums there are here that is pretty good.

    Australia is 0.4 percent higher at currently around 6 percent.

    I hardly see those as skyrocketing.