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What the last Depression was like
« on: July 17, 2008, 07:11:30 AM »
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  • Five Things You Need to Know: The Modern Stealth Depression
    Wednesday July 16, 12:40 pm ET

    By Kevin Depew

    Chaos and fear doesn't sleep. This morning the first news story I read was a piece from the Los Angeles Daily News about police threatening to beat down and arrest any "disorderlies" trying to get their money out of a failed IndyMac bank branch in Pasadena, CA. Apparently, after being turned away Monday, customers began lining up at 1:30 a.m. the next morning to take out any cash they had in excess of the $100,000 maximum insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. The scene was reportedly emotional and tense. At another IndyMac branch in Encino, the police were called in after line jumpers threatened to turn an ordinary bank run into a full-on riot.

    Yes, it's here. Welcome to the Depression. No, don't drop whatever it is you're doing. Don't get up. It's not going anywhere. It will wait. It's just going to sit over here in the corner and read a magazine while you do whatever it is you need to do.

    A Depression doesn't run hot and fierce like some crazed meth burner. A Depression is methodical, purposeful, patient. It will build a shelter out of tree branches and newspaper, light a small, well-contained campfire and wait you out, brother. While you feed on the empty calories of denial and popcorn, it will quietly gather shards of broken dreams and fashion them into a terrible weapon of blunt force reality.

    It's a hell of a thing to call this day and age the next Depression. It's dangerous tinfoil hat territory inhabited mostly by screeching lunatics and volatile nutjobs. But by the time they get squeezed out by reputable folks the whole gig will be up, the circus will have left town.

    But how can this be? To understand the mechanics of this, the nature of it, let's look back at the last Great Depression.

    Despite the seeming enormity of it in retrospect, the stock market crash of 1929 barely even registered for most Americans. The day before the crash, Time Magazine's Oct. 28, 1929 issue was business as usual, national stories, Washington stories, a review of the newest plays opening in Manhattan, a piece on a cat washing contest in Kingston, NC.

    A week later, in the wake of the stock plunge, the cover story was as far from a piece on crashing share prices as you could 2get - a profile of a man named Samuel Insull, the "financial father of the Chicago opera." The crash did make the magazine, of course, second billing in the Business section in a piece titled, "Bankers v. Panic." The next piece, however, was about a $2.5 million investment by a Wall Street investment bank in orchids. "Last week, however, to the orchid industry went 2,500,000 Wall Street dollars, not squandered, but carefully invested."

    Heh. Yes, the dream dies hard, doesn't it?

    It took a little more than two full years, Dec. 11, 1931, before the New York Bank of the United States would collapse. Surely that would rattle a few cages. Well, no cover play, that was reserved for Dr. James Henry Breasted, "foremost Egyptologist of the U. S.", but the bank collapse did garner a story in the Business section, below a piece on Lorillard Co., then in the news as "the only major industrial concern in the U.S. to resume dividends in 1931."

    What is wrong with these people? Haven't they even the vaguest sense of the impending doom they face? Someone should warn them. They're headed straight into a vicious buzz saw. It's like watching drunken sheep follow one another off the Cliffs of Moher.

    On January 22, 1932 things turned desperate. The Reconstruction Finance Corporation was formed to dole out government aid to banks, railroads, farm mortgage associations and all manner of failed business enterprises. By any decent measure of journalistic standards, this deserved top billing in a weekly newsmagazine. So Time's cover story on playwright Philip Barry's 11th play, "The Animal Kingdom," comes as a sharp, kneecap-shattering nightstick blow.

    By the end of the following year, 1933, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt had squeezed the Emergency Banking Act through Congress, signed the Economy Act, the Credit Act, the Reforestation Relief Act, the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the Farm Act, the Federal Securities Act, the National Cooperative Employment Service Act, the Home Owners' Loan Act, the Glass-Steagall Act, the National Industrial Recovery Act, the Emergency Railroad Transportation Act, created the Federal Emergency Relief Administration, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and Civil Works Administration.

    In short, everything in America was falling to pieces and going to hell. And yet I am staring right now at the cover of Time from August 7, 1933, just past the mid-point of that awful year, and Marie Dressler is on the cover in full character as a "a raffish, vigorous old woman whose generous heart thumps under sleazy clothes that do not fit her." 1

    Three months later, the November 13 cover is "Football."

    The December 4 cover features Seton Porter of National Distillers, who the magazine says enviously claims has "50% of all U.S. whiskey in his saddlebags."

    This is quickly turning into some kind of preverse joke. These people deserve the Depression, dammit! No wonder the country has gone to hell; all anyone cares about is Tugboat Annie, football and whiskey.

    Hahaha. Kind of like today. And there it is, finally, the point. We are slowly sidling up to The Fear. With wealth and lifestyles evaporating right before our eyes, The Fear is really the only tangible thing we can hold onto. The Fear is always worse than the actualization. The Fear feeds on potentiality, unimaginable potentiality.

    Now, there are two ways to look at that. One is to despair over our misfortune at finding ourselves in the wrong place at the right time, taken along for a ride on this wave past the cresting point, and the other is to consider what adventures await on the other side. I'm in the second camp because I am an optimistic person by nature, or at least a defensive pessimist, and also because I understand that despite it all, we will continue to live our lives, raise children the best we can and find ways to make the best of whatever situation we are in.

    During the first Great Depression, times were tough for many people, but even now the vast majority of us will adapt and continue on and soon take for granted the change in lifestyle that may (or for some may not) entail.

    I read a piece in the New York Times several months ago by a woman consistently finding herself feeling humiliated by her parents' reckless disregard for money during the Depression - they didn't have much anyway, but her parents apparently were intent on squandering what little they could accuмulate on fancy clothes and cocktail parties. As I remember the story, she asked her mom, "Why on earth are you having a party with things the way they are?" Her mother, without missing a beat, said, "It's times like these when people need parties most of all."

    Indeed. The time for preparations and battening down the hatches has passed. It's finally here. Let's party.
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    What the last Depression was like
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 04:01:40 PM »
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  •  :roll-laugh1: :roll-laugh2:

    Wow... I guess some things never do change. But you know, this is why I am not worried much about protecting myself when all heck breaks loose. Why not? Because I predict that people are going to go on adoring their televisions and computer screens through the whole bloody thing. They may be eating instant ramen instead of beer and brats, but as long as the blasted box runs, even if they have to sacrifice some of their utilities to swing it, I'm 99.999% certain that most Americans will stupefy themselves in front of a smutty movie and work themselves (however begrudgingly) into oblivion, rather than to exert the energy needed to riot for instance. (For one thing, the wage slaves will all be too tired to riot.)

    I know someone who regularly lacked toilet paper and food, but still had a computer, a TV, a collection of movies and cds. I expect the rest of the country to be not much different. Yeah, some (probably in the normally bad parts of town) will probably riot... but heaven help them if they do. Remember... today we live in a world where old ladies can't get through airports without being frisked as terrorists. So what do you think they'll do to people who actually riot? They'll probably make the recent military scandals look like a picnic with the treatment they'll be giving people at that point.

    It's yet more proof that once the world throws out all regard for God and truth and morality, there is almost no limit to how low intelligence or good sense will plummet.

    Now if the electricity ever went out... THEN you'd have something to be worried about. But for now, think of television (and the like) as crack... the addicts will give vital parts of their anatomy to get it. And once they have it, they really don't care much about anything else. (But take it away from them, and watch out!)
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    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 10:16:56 PM »
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  • You are gravely mistaken.  Things will get VERY ugly, largely due to the fact that food will be scarce (this will likely serve as the bait for taking the chip), and martial law will be enforced - brutally, at that.  The intentions of the men who have brought us this situation are such that men will not be able to choose a zombie state, sitting this one out on the couch.  Such a state of affairs would be much more agreeable than that which is coming down the road.
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    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 11:50:49 PM »
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  • What I mean is, if it comes down to getting your head blown off by a "riot officer" or sitting at home watching the linoleum curl... which would you choose? Those who are the type to riot, perhaps, understand better than any of us what it means to look down the barrel of a gun.

    Right NOW if there were a riot, the police would still have to worry about being all nice and politically correct. It would be all tear gas and fire hoses. But if things get to a point of emergency, I don't think the law enforcement people will mind filling a few body bags if that's the only way to restore order, and once it comes to that, very few people alive would have the something-or-other to risk ending up in one just to come and rob their neighbor's canned peas.

    And suddenly the most important question is, once again, "what's on HBO tonight?" ... even if you are getting very hungry.

    It works like the death penalty. If criminals know that committing a crime might mean getting killed, very few are willing to go ahead and do it anyhow. Now it's gone, there's crime all over the place. Bring it back again, and you can bet the rates would plunge all at once. There's nothing like the threat of death to change one's priorities.

    If guns can keep professional soldiers in pow camps, they can keep the "unruly folk" in line. Especially with the guys they'll have waiting in the wings for that kind of thing. They won't exactly be 90lb, 4ft. 2 anorexic blond girls with clubs in patrol cars. More like soldiers armed with whatever the countries have been developing in dark closets everywhere  for the last who knows how many years. One look at that should be enough to make couch potatoes out of just about anyone who knows what death is.

    Then again, I think there will still be a shocking number of people who really will content themselves with just surviving, so long as the tv still runs.
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi