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The new GOOD JOB - twelve dollars an hour
« on: June 04, 2009, 09:38:57 AM »
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  • The new 'good' job: 12 bucks an hour
    In the Midwest, communities race to replace dwindling auto jobs with renewable energy ones, but workers will have to sacrifice on their pay.

    June 4, 2009: 5:29 AM ET

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Massive investment in renewable energy could ultimately create 4 million manufacturing jobs. But for the workers in the bottom rung of this movement, the shift to green jobs could very well mean a pay cut of nearly 60%, a trend spreading across the entire manufacturing sector.

    Many of the entry-level jobs making green energy components start at $12 an hour, much less than the now extinct $28 an hour job that had allowed high school-educated workers in the auto sector to achieve middle class status.

    "Particularly at the lower end, these are not very good jobs," said Philip Mattera, research director at Good Jobs First, a labor-friendly research group, also acknowledging that the renewable energy sector paid wages that were "all over the map."

    Americans are betting that molding steel wind turbines, slicing silicon for solar panels and making batteries for electric cars will put them back on top of the manufacturing game. The 4 million new jobs, estimated by the University of California, Berkeley, would bring back more than half of all the manufacturing jobs lost in this country since the sector's heyday in the late 1970s.

    At a battery plant just outside Indiana, job growth could boom. The plant is owned by EnerDel, the car battery division of Ener1. Here, the company is racing to build a cost competitive battery for an all-electric car. If it gets a government loan it's applying for, the company plans on hiring up to 3,000 people. That's roughly what a big auto plant employs.

    But $12 an hour is the starting wage for a production worker.

    While the starting wages at EnerDel are lower than what the auto industry pays, company executives stressed salaries go up quickly as skill sets improve. They also stressed a company like EnerDel employs lots of skilled workers too, from the electrical engineers needed to design the batteries to the mechanical engineers who build the machines.

    A level pay scale. The diversity of jobs in the renewable energy business is one thing supporters of green manufacturing tout. They say people should look beyond the starting wages for labor when judging the industry.

    "I cannot think of an industry that has more diversity in wages," said Jackie Roberts, director of sustainable technology at the Environmental Defense Fund.

    Plus, $12 an hour is in-line than the average wage for an electronics assembler in the Indianapolis area, according to the Labor Department.

    It's a similar scene at a plant making silicon for solar panels up in Michigan. Just outside of Saginaw, an executive at Hemlock Semiconductor would only say the company paid "competitive wages."

    But people in town said the non-union Hemlock plant paid around $10 an hour for unskilled production workers and $20 an hour for skilled ones.

    Mike Hanley, president of the local United Auto Workers union, said he hoped green manufacturing will become more unionized going forward. But he agreed that the wages at Hemlock were pretty good for the area.

    Not just green industry. Environmental Defense's Roberts notes that besides new companies making things specifically for the renewable energy business, as is the case with EnerDel, there are also lots of manufacturing firms that make components for both the green and traditional industries.

    "There are manufacturing jobs," she said. "They have the same wages as anyone making components for any other industry."

    That's the case in Minster, Ohio, where the Minster Machine Company turns out both parts for wind turbines as well as machines for other the auto and food processing industries.
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    Inside the company's massive iron foundry, workers start at $17.50 and hour whether they are pouring castings for a wind turbine hub or an auto stamping machine.

    But the company's president, John Winch, noted that in the long run, wages in the U.S. will probably come down as wages in the developing world come up - all part of the globalization process.

    "The wage scale will probably be more dependent on what the world's wage scale is," said Winch.

    Even in the auto industry, $28-an-hour is no longer the starting wage. Since 2007 the industry has had a two-tier wage system, meaning that when they start hiring again the new starting wage will be $14 an hour.
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    The new GOOD JOB - twelve dollars an hour
    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2009, 09:39:56 AM »
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  • How could things be "looking up" when thousands of people are looking at $12 an hour, where they USED TO have a job paying $18 or $20 an hour in the auto industry?

    Those people won't be able to pay as much for housing, and they won't have as much money to spend in general.
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    The new GOOD JOB - twelve dollars an hour
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 09:43:48 AM »
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  • It is all coming apart.

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    The new GOOD JOB - twelve dollars an hour
    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 10:14:31 PM »
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  • This country has already been de-industrialized to the point we can't even function. We're not self-sufficient anymore, and ripe for the picking from China and Russia.

    Malachi Martin said in 1997 that we don't have 50 years, and we don't even have 20 years before whatever was mentioned in the Third Secret will happen with dire consequences. When asked if the Three Days Darkness were in the secret, his response was yes.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    The new GOOD JOB - twelve dollars an hour
    « Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 12:01:57 AM »
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    Malachi Martin said in 1997 that we don't have 50 years, and we don't even have 20 years before whatever was mentioned in the Third Secret will happen with dire consequences. When asked if the Three Days Darkness were in the secret, his response was yes.


    You seem to be very knowledgeable about Fr. Martin -- do you know where I can find, online preferably, anything else the ghostly father had to say about the future? I'm very interested in the whole Third Secret conspiracy and the Satanic infiltration of the Church.  


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    « Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 10:49:03 AM »
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    Malachi Martin said in 1997 that we don't have 50 years, and we don't even have 20 years before whatever was mentioned in the Third Secret will happen with dire consequences. When asked if the Three Days Darkness were in the secret, his response was yes.


    You seem to be very knowledgeable about Fr. Martin -- do you know where I can find, online preferably, anything else the ghostly father had to say about the future? I'm very interested in the whole Third Secret conspiracy and the Satanic infiltration of the Church.  


    Well, I can give you his interviews with Art Bell. Those are the most comprehensive statements you'll get about this stuff.

    Here's one on Perfect Possession.



    Here's what he said on Fatima:



    Here's what he said on Antichrist. He says he is here already:



    (I don't think it's Obama the way the video of his interview portrays.)

    Here's another one on Fatima:



    I'll post more as I find them.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    The new GOOD JOB - twelve dollars an hour
    « Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 07:02:12 PM »
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  • Thank you ma'am.