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Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
« on: June 23, 2014, 11:47:25 PM »
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  • Activists Call For UN Intervention As Government Moves To Shut Off Water In Detroit

    As the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department moves to shut off water to thousands of residents who are delinquent on their bills, a coalition of activists is appealing to the United Nations High Commission for Human Rights to intervene on behalf of the bankrupt city’s most vulnerable citizens.

    Their report, filed Wednesday with the UN’s Special Rapporteur on the Human Right to Safe Drinking Water and Sanitation, alleges that the DWSD crackdown is part of an effort “to sweeten the pot for a private investor” to take over the city’s heavily-indebted water and sewer system as part of Detroit’s broader bankruptcy proceedings.
     
    One of the activist groups behind the report, the Detroit People’s Water Board, notes that city residents have seen water rates more than double over the past decade at the same time that the city’s poverty rate rose to nearly 40 percent, putting the cost of basic running water beyond reach for tens of thousands of households. Earlier this week, city lawmakers voted to raise water rates by a further 8.7 percent.
     
    Almost exactly 50 percent of the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department’s 323,900 total accounts were delinquent as of March,according to the Detroit News (via Nexis), with a combined $175 million in unpaid water bills outstanding. The department announced at that time that it would begin an aggressive campaign of water shutoffs, and a DWSD spokesman said that it has shut off water to nearly 7,000 separate clients since the beginning of April. DWSD mailed warnings about the shutoffs in March, but the People’s Water Board report says that some residents it interviewed either never received a warning notice or had their water shut off before the payment deadline printed in the notices had passed.
     
    One key piece of the activists’ complaint has to do with allegedly disparate treatment of residential and commercial clients by the DWSD. The People’s Water Board claims that delinquent business entities “have not been targeted in the same way as residential users,” a claim the department strongly disputes.
     
    “There are no sacred cows. We aren’t discriminating in terms of individuals or businesses,” DWSD spokesman Bill Johnson said in an interview. “Last month we shut off about 3,600 accounts, both businesses and residential. Everybody is getting cut off who is $150 or 60 days in arrears. That is our policy and we’re ramping up our enforcement of that policy.”
     
    The department has not yet had time to break out the data on water shutoffs by client category, Johnson said, but he hopes to be able to report exact figures on the number of business clients who have lost water access soon.
     
    The DWSD’s roughly $5 billion in debts have turned out to be the most difficult piece of Detroit’s bankruptcy, after initially seeming to be on track for a rapid resolution. Neighboring counties have balked at absorbing the city system into a regional water and sewer authority, and subsequent plans to privatize the city’s water services have been criticized as too rapid, too costly, and too damaging to residents’ quality of life. The system’s massive backlog of delinquent bills makes it harder to convince anyone, whether private company or public authority, to shoulder the DWSD’s obligations. But if the water shutoffs were aimed at making the department look like a shinier prize in bankruptcy negotiations, they would likely be targeted at corporate clients directly, for the same reason that Depression-era gangsters robbed banks: that’s where the money is.
     
    While the vast majority of the nearly 165,000 delinquent accounts reported in March are residential clients, those private households owe much smaller amounts than the commercial and industrial clients who are delinquent on their DWSD bills. Fewer than 11,000 delinquent accounts relate to commercial or industrial clients. But those delinquencies average more than $7,700 per business, according to the numbers published in the Detroit News in March, compared to an average debt of less than $600 per residential delinquency. Non-residential clients account for almost half of what DWSD is owed despite being less than 7 percent of total delinquencies, according to the March figures. The People’s Water Board says that it obtained a docuмent showing similar figures, but did not respond to a request for the docuмent by press time.
     
    It is not clear what action the activists seek from the UN Human Rights Commission. A request for comment from the UN official to whom the report was submitted went unanswered.
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    Offline RomanCatholic1953

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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #1 on: June 24, 2014, 12:02:08 AM »
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  • People need water to live. This stop these overseas wars and use the money
    to help our own people.


    Offline Marlelar

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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 06:51:54 PM »
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  • And foreign aid should be stopped too.

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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 08:15:37 AM »
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  • Not sure how to read into this...

    Detroit aka Detoilet, is 90% Black.
     
    They have destroyed the once Richest city in America as they do every place they congregate en masse

    For multi Generations now, their entire livelihoods-housing, food, clothing, case has been paid for (subsidized) by whites.
    Now they are angry about having to pay a water bill that theyve known about for months? Do YOU want More Welfare for them?





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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #4 on: June 28, 2014, 01:38:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    People need water to live. This stop these overseas wars and use the money
    to help our own people.


    Are you some kind of radical, RC1953?    :dancing-banana:   'cause mega corporations don't see it that way.  
    Bechtel, Veolia, Nestle, Coca Cola have been privatizing water all over the globe for years, and discussion of privatization in California has increased dramatically recently.  Neil O can probably speak to that.

    Who has been financing worldwide privatization?

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    The World Bank serves the interests of water companies both through its regular loan programs to governments, which often come with conditions that explicitly require the privatization of water provision, and through its private sector arm, the International Finance Corporation, which invests in privatization projects and makes loans to companies carrying them out. Lending about $20 billion to water supply projects over the last decade, the World Bank has been the principle financer of privatization. A year-long study by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, a project of the Washington-based Center for Public Integrity, released in February, 2003, found that the majority of World Bank loans for water in the last five years have required the conversion of public systems to private as a condition for the transaction. The performance of these companies in Europe and the developing world has been well docuмented: huge profits, higher prices for water, cut-offs to customers who cannot pay, little transparency in their dealings, reduced water quality, bribery, and corruption.

    http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/209/43398.html


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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #5 on: June 29, 2014, 12:07:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    People need water to live. This stop these overseas wars and use the money
    to help our own people.


    I hate to break the news to you, but there isn't any money to use for the overseas wars or to use to pay people to live off the government.  

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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 01:37:34 AM »
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  • The water should be shut off. They can use the public park and public restrooms. My guess is that the vast majority of the freeloaders will pony up once the water is shut off.

    These people are playing a game. They can go bathe in the river. If they can afford to eat then they can also pay the water connection to their home.

    Here is the game- in better times the utility could force the owner to pay for the service by placing a lean on the property. Now, since property has zero value in Detroit people think they can steal and freeload without consequences.

    My guess is 80% of the freeloaders will pay once they realized the alternative is bathing in Lake Michigan.

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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 12:20:15 AM »
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  • July 17, 2014 at 1:00 am
    There is no right to free water

    Nolan Finley


    Water is not a human right. It’s a human need.

    Ever since Adam and Eve got booted out of Eden, people have devoted most of their energy and labor to meeting the basic needs of food, water, clothing and shelter. It’s the origin of work — you’re hungry, you’re thirsty, you need some decent threads and a roof over your head, you have to get up in the morning and do something constructive.

    There will be a lot of folks in the streets of Detroit Friday afternoon challenging that truth. The legion of lefties in town for the Netroots Nation gathering have scheduled a march to protest the water shut-offs underway in Detroit as inhumane and a violation of civil rights.

    Fully half of the water customers in Detroit don’t pay their bills. Advocates of free water for all blame the city’s 38 percent poverty rate for the high level of delinquency.

    But nearly all of those with incomes below the poverty line receive public assistance. That’s money provided by their fellow citizens to help them pay for their basic needs — food, water, clothing, shelter.

    And yet barely 50 percent of Detroiters pay their water bill. Meanwhile, up to two-thirds of city residents pay to keep their cable or satellite television service current. And 72 percent do the same to maintain their cellphones.

    It’s not a stretch to guess the reason delinquency rates are lower for cable and cellphone service is that the cable and telephone companies cut off customers who don’t pay their bills. The Detroit water department hasn’t done that much, until now.

    So instead of using what resources they have to cover their needs, many water customers instead have chosen to service their wants. That’s what happens when people are conditioned to think someone else is responsible for taking care of them.

    In Detroit, the someone else is the half of residents who do pay their water bills, and this year were hit with an 11 percent rate increase that was largely necessary to cover the unpaid bills of scofflaws.

    Since the cut-offs began, more customers are paying up. The overwhelming majority of households hit with a shut-off are settling their debt to get the water flowing again, suggesting they could have been paying all along. The desperate cases are being offered a variety of assistance programs to make sure no one who truly can’t pay for water is shut off.

    This is not a humanitarian crisis, as the Netroots entitlement nation proclaims. It’s a necessary forced reordering of priorities.

    Water, food, clothing, shelter were never bestowed on us because we exist. It costs money to purify water and deliver it to homes. That’s why early on people began forming communities to share the cost of meeting that common need, and others.

    Charitable minded citizens have never objected to helping care for neighbors who are unable to care for themselves. But they understandably don’t have much appetite for carrying on their backs those who choose to indulge their wants before their needs.

    nfinley@detroitnews.com
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    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140717/OPINION01/307170005#ixzz37hSvFvjc


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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 02:54:53 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Steven

    It’s not a stretch to guess the reason delinquency rates are lower for cable and cellphone service is that the cable and telephone companies cut off customers who don’t pay their bills. The Detroit water department hasn’t done that much, until now.


    I hadn't realized that this was such a non-story until this. So, the Detroit water department finally screwed their heads on straight. Where I live, your water is turned off after only 1 missed payment. They claim there's something like a $25 fee to get it turned back on. I'm not interested in testing the system, but I noted the neighbors across the street of our last home had their water turned off and on pretty much every other month.
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    Tens of thousands to get water shut off in Detroit
    « Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 09:21:53 AM »
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  • Detroit has become a nasty city with nasty people.

    Blue collar cities with one note ponies as their main source of revenue are really walking a tightrope and if some shortsighted business owners and/or vulgar, ugly, murderous politicians decide to gerrymander a location, it can become "Hell on Earth" fairly quickly.  Detroit was on the short trip to Hell when the Big Three all of a sudden faced competition from Japanese automakers.  On the sociopolitical side, when the city populace became 75% of a certain group then there really was no turning it around.  

    At least in Las Vegas if the casinos went belly up because of some new law or regulation, the residents of the city who are grifters and lowlifes would seek friendlier natural confines.