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Offline 2Vermont

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Small Banks Crisis?
« on: March 21, 2023, 07:15:29 AM »
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  • So, I'm reading about small banks struggling and needing help from larger banks.  What is the take here? Should we take our money out of these banks? 

    Sorry if there is a thread on this already.  I didn't see one.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #1 on: March 21, 2023, 09:55:30 AM »
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  • One's bank and Savings and Loan account deposits are insured up to $250,000 (it used to be $100,000, I don't know when it was increased) by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.  https://www.fdic.gov/resources/deposit-insurance/faq/index.html.  If one has cash assets greater than $250,000 (I've never been in that club) it would be prudent to have accounts in different banks so that you never have more than $250,000 deposited in one bank or Savings and Loan.

    Some "investment accounts" may also allow one to write checks or otherwise make payments or money transfers, but may not always be covered by FDIC insurance, so it is good to ask.




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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #2 on: March 21, 2023, 11:20:24 AM »
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  • One's bank and Savings and Loan account deposits are insured up to $250,000 (it used to be $100,000, I don't know when it was increased) by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.  https://www.fdic.gov/resources/deposit-insurance/faq/index.html.  If one has cash assets greater than $250,000 (I've never been in that club) it would be prudent to have accounts in different banks so that you never have more than $250,000 deposited in one bank or Savings and Loan.

    Some "investment accounts" may also allow one to write checks or otherwise make payments or money transfers, but may not always be covered by FDIC insurance, so it is good to ask.
    FDIC insurance is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government.

    ::snort::
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #3 on: March 21, 2023, 12:18:47 PM »
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  • So, I'm reading about small banks struggling and needing help from larger banks.  What is the take here? Should we take our money out of these banks?

    Sorry if there is a thread on this already.  I didn't see one.
    It's still developing, but I am watching this consolidation of banks and the coming launch of FedNow with interest:

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/other20230315a.htm


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    Federal Reserve announces July launch for the FedNow Service

    https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow

    https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/about.html

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    The FedNow Service is a new instant payment service that the Federal Reserve Banks are developing to enable financial institutions of every size, and in every community across the U.S., to provide safe and efficient instant payment services in real time, around the clock, every day of the year.
    FedNow will enable them to control payments. The consolidation of banks guaranteed by the Federal Reserve will remove alternatives. Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) or a crypto-dollar will enable them to directly how you use money (expiration for non-use or termination for politically-incorrect opinions).

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #4 on: March 21, 2023, 12:43:31 PM »
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  • I don't see FedNow as a big deal.  Currently the banks process all their transactions in overnight batches and it (inexplicably) takes a day or two for funds to pass between banks.  This is just their getting into the 20th century with technology, having continued working with these anitquated COBOL-based mainframe systems that are going on 50 years old now.

    Banks will likely push back though.  I recall some IT projects I worked on at a Fortune 100 Bank whose intent was to "maximize float".  Float was where money remained in "limbo" between two banks, during which time one or the other bank could put it on their books and collect interest on it while it was "transitioning".

    Services like Venmo and Payapl can transition money almost instantly (if you pay a fee).


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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #5 on: March 21, 2023, 12:48:15 PM »
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  • https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/about.html
    FedNow will enable them to control payments. 

    They already control payments ... but are just slow as molasses in moving through through.

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #6 on: March 21, 2023, 12:49:11 PM »
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  • FDIC insurance is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government.

    ::snort::

    Yep.  You're literally better off putting the money in the proverbial mattress than in putting it in the bank for that glorious .5% interest they pay.

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #7 on: March 21, 2023, 12:51:15 PM »
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  • Banks will likely push back though.  I recall some IT projects I worked on at a Fortune 100 Bank whose intent was to "maximize float".  Float was where money remained in "limbo" between two banks, during which time one or the other bank could put it on their books and collect interest on it while it was "transitioning".

    Nevermind.  I should have known better, as the Jєωs will get theirs one way or the other --
    https://www.frbservices.org/resources/fees/fednow-2023

    ... charging 4.5 cents per item when it likely costs them .0005 cents per item (even after recouping the cost of the technology).


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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #8 on: March 21, 2023, 01:20:48 PM »
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  • They already control payments ... but are just slow as molasses in moving through through.
    In order to have a CBDC, a quick and reliable payment system will be needed. I think your response only helps my case.

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #9 on: March 21, 2023, 01:46:57 PM »
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  • In order to have a CBDC, a quick and reliable payment system will be needed. I think your response only helps my case.

    From your earlier post:
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    FedNow will enable them to control payments.

    They already control payments, but are just slow about balancing the accounts afterwards.

    They can confirm/reject payments real-time already ... just that the transaction requires longer to balance out of a pending state, but transactions can already be approved/denied in real time.  They could attach "social credit" considerations at point of sale whether or not they immediately balance against your account, so long as there's an electronic form of payment.  Nearly all debit card transactions go through VISA or Mastercard already.

    What they need to do is stamp out alternatives, such as paper cash and, to a lesser extent, alternative currencies like BitCoin.  They can't control cash at point of sale, and can't really put a stranglehold on BitCoin ... just yet, even though they've tried to regulate it more and more.  When the time comes, they can just wipe out and ban the cryptos.  Those really can't be used for normal transactions anyway.  I can't go to a grocery store and pay them with BitCoin.  It's limited to some relatively-niche online vendors.

    Stamping out paper cash is the key.  Once they've gone electronic, whether they're fast or slow in balancing the accounts doesn't really matter.  If I show up with my debit card to the grocery store, they can deny transactions right there for social credit reasons if they want to regardless.

    I recall when a lot of retailers were refusing cash during the COVID plandemic because it could allegedly transmit the virus.  But if the US dollar hyperinflates and becomes worthless, they would probably have to issue a replacement currency, and that's when I think the transition will happen.  US dollar could hyperinflate at any time.  It's just a question of when they feel like letting / making it do so.

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #10 on: March 21, 2023, 02:25:31 PM »
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  • From your earlier post:
    They already control payments, but are just slow about balancing the accounts afterwards.

    They can confirm/reject payments real-time already ... just that the transaction requires longer to balance out of a pending state, but transactions can already be approved/denied in real time.  They could attach "social credit" considerations at point of sale whether or not they immediately balance against your account, so long as there's an electronic form of payment.  Nearly all debit card transactions go through VISA or Mastercard already.
    My understanding is that banks are interested in the ability of Real Time Payment (RTP) systems to achieve a balance and continue financial operations within the same day. Consider this article from S&P on the use of RTP/FedNow on blockchain payments and payments in general:

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    Instant payroll for workers at gig economy companies is such an example, she said, adding that the service addresses a trend in the gig economy in which workers expect to have access to earned wages on demand, rather than on a traditional biweekly cycle. During the second quarter, instant payroll accounted for 15% of the total volume on RTP and grew 104% compared to the prior quarter.

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    The launch of FedNow could also enhance blockchain-enabled payment systems, to let banks settle payments using blockchain instantly at all times, said Kevin Greene, CEO of Tassat Group Inc.
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    What they need to do is stamp out alternatives, such as paper cash and, to a lesser extent, alternative currencies like BitCoin.  They can't control cash at point of sale, and can't really put a stranglehold on BitCoin ... just yet, even though they've tried to regulate it more and more.  When the time comes, they can just wipe out and ban the cryptos.  Those really can't be used for normal transactions anyway.  I can't go to a grocery store and pay them with BitCoin.  It's limited to some relatively-niche online vendors.
    Bitcoin has had such large revaluations that it couldn't be seen as a true alternative. Paper cash is functionally dead through the mass adoption of electronic payment. Forbes claims just 9% of Americans prefer to use cash in 2023.



    I recall when a lot of retailers were refusing cash during the COVID plandemic because it could allegedly transmit the virus.
    I suspect this helped finish off the better part of cash usage. Perhaps it was a happy side-effect or sub objective.



    But if the US dollar hyperinflates and becomes worthless, they would probably have to issue a replacement currency, and that's when I think the transition will happen.  US dollar could hyperinflate at any time.  It's just a question of when they feel like letting / making it do so.
    If I am reading you correctly, then you are writing this in consideration of the massive Biden/Democrat spending coming down the pipeline. If so, no disagreement with you there.


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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #11 on: March 21, 2023, 03:01:22 PM »
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    Stamping out paper cash is the key.
    Right.  FedNow and the coming FedCoin will be paperless $ and digital transactions.  I think we are VERY close to this happening.  Like less than a year.

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #12 on: March 21, 2023, 03:24:48 PM »
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  • Right.  FedNow and the coming FedCoin will be paperless $ and digital transactions.  I think we are VERY close to this happening.  Like less than a year.

    Perhaps.  It's been talked about in conspiracy groups for many decades.  Perhaps this banking crisis is what it'll take to elminate cash entirely.

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    Re: Small Banks Crisis?
    « Reply #13 on: March 21, 2023, 09:43:17 PM »
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  • I think that the banking system crisis that is currently happening is not understood by the vast majority of people, and that the deception that is being used to keep people calm right now while elites head for the exits is keeping it that way. The scope of this crisis is expanding quickly. Experts call it "contagion." Mainstream media is not covering this crisis and will not tell the average person the truth, as usual.

    Contacts of mine have told me that in the past few days there is increasing interest on the part of very wealthy hedge fund executives to relocate out of urban areas, as the scope of the problems will likely disrupt supply chains and lead to civil disorder. When the financial system is obviously melting down it will be too late to take action to protect your assets. 


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