After you have read this:
 http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/09/10/ready-to-pay-6-for-a-gallon-of-milk/

Then read this:
http://www.johntreed.com/another-reason-to-store-food.html

I wouldn't buy the garbage grocery store milk if it were a dollar for a gallon. It is a nutritionally dead substance.

I'm already paying $10 or more per gallon for real milk. We don't drink a lot of milk as consequence.

Are you buying organic? Organic in SoCal costs no more than $6 or $7 per gallon. You can normally find a coupon on line every once in a while for a dollar off as well.

Way to read the links.

Quote from: Mabel

I wouldn't buy the garbage grocery store milk if it were a dollar for a gallon. It is a nutritionally dead substance.

I'm already paying $10 or more per gallon for real milk. We don't drink a lot of milk as consequence.

Are you buying organic? Organic in SoCal costs no more than $6 or $7 per gallon. You can normally find a coupon on line every once in a while for a dollar off as well.

Raw, grass-fed, whole milk is the only kind I drink. I might pick up "organic" grocery store milk, or milk from a local conventional dairy with a good reputation for cooking, my Mac and cheese recipe  takes a serious dose of milk.

Oh wow I guess  wont complain at $4.00 per raw jersey milk gallon (4) it was $3.50 but my neighbor upped it. I get between 4 and 8 gallons per week depending on what Im doing and if I have any bottle feds.

I really prefer the goats milk so I bring in about 7 to 10 gallons a week of that pure goodness.

I have friends on 5 acres that own 5 sows, 3 dexters, 4 turkeys, 20 chickens, 3 dogs, 5 alpacas, 4 goats, 3 sheep.

So my question to the average acreage dweller is why cant  own 1 goat? At 150lb its no bigger than a dog but will produce (if its a good one) a gallon of milk each and every day for your family? Not to mention you can eat the kids in the fall or sell them if you don't have the heart for slaughter.

Tips on Great Goats milk

does stay AWAY from billy (billys do stink)
add baking soda to grain
add molasses to grain to sweeten it
cover milk pails with cheese cloth to keep milk clean while milking
strain quickly and refridgerate


Should taste like cows milk and should be very creamy as its naturally homogenized and great for lactose intolerant milk drinkers.

Your friendly canadian :farmer:

Excellent advice! The only other advice I'd add to get great milk is that after straining, place it in an ice water bath. This cools it at about 5x the rate the refrigerator will, making it taste fresher for longer.

Yeh, get a high producing dairy goat and who needs a cow. One goat can give a family an unlimited supply of milk to drink, make food and other products with, and also sell some ( if your laws allow it). We do have a couple milk cows, because we like the cream from Jersey cows. Also, a good chunk of money can be made by purchasing some scrawny, cheap, orphaned calves and raising them on the Jersey cow to either sell or butcher. I think ours raised 6 calves last year.

There is a very definite agenda here. Over the last 30 years or so government has forced the small or family farm out of business due to the ever increasing tax rates on their property. Despite their getting some breaks.

Large businesses have taken over farming. Many are tied either directly (those owned by Soros and others) or indirectly (those owned by Monsanto and others) to banking interests. Those banking interests further benefit as they can manipulate the price of food through supply and demand on the farm as well as futures contracts on the commodity itself and also through currency fluctuations for what is foreign grown. As the banks are the largest contributors to congress they also heavily influence subsidies given to farmers.

A few years ago when the Midwest suffered from floods wiping out their farms many of those farms were foreclosed on. Soros bought many of those foreclosures.

Food has two other benefits to the elite. It is necessary to maintain a military and it is the best way to control the masses. It has long been the farmer who is first targeted by Marxists. As we increasingly move toward a totalitarian government we should expect more legislation punishing those who grow and raise their own.

There is no question that raw milk is the best way to go. At one time is was the only milk that was legal due to the Purity in Food Act (or something closely worded to that). Pasteurized milk became the new norm after Borden made large campaign contributions to FDR.

I said wouldn’t post much when I first posted in the cremation thread about a week and a half ago, but topics I know something about (and I don’t claim to know much about hardly anything) always catch my eye.

My parents moved from Seattle to break virgin ground on Columbia Basin Irrigation Project land in eastern WA in 1955, when I was three years old.  I grew up on a farm (sugar beets, alfalfa hay, wheat and barley, dry beans, green beans, certified clover seed) with small hog and cattle feeding components.  We had hens to gather eggs from, a family milk cow (Clarabelle), and a big garden.  We churned our own butter (hand crank) which we kid did while watching tv in the evening.  Mom canned most of our winter food; potatoes, onions, and carrots were kept in a root cellar.  Home grown beef, pork, and chicken were in the freezer.  I was active in 4-H and FFA (dairy projects), and at one time milked up to five Jersey cows with two Surge surcingle bucket milking machines before going to high school each morning.

I subsequently obtained a degree in Animal Science from Washington State University, with course work in bacteriology, food processing, and food safety.  Now in my sixty-second decade I have worked in agriculture my entire life, except for three years I took off to be a parish business administrator.  Most of that time has been in hands on dairy production, as at the moment, but I’ve worked in sales and technical services for the cattle industry also.  My 91 year old mother still lives on the 300 acre family farm; the crop land is currently rented out.  I’m thinking of developing a seasonal fresh vegetable operation on part of it when I retire from my current position.  

Four points:  

Scary and/or sensational headlines and stories are always more fun for journalists and commentators to put out than sane, factual, rational ones.  There might be a little kernel of “truth” hidden in the “scary and sensational” but there is more often a WHOLE LOT of nuisance that must be sought out before one knows what is really going on.

The old “if Congress doesn’t act we’ll go back to the Roosevelt era farm bill and food prices will skyrocket” has come up several times in my lifetime.  Congress has always acted at the last minute; I have no reason to believe they won’t again, somehow, someway.  It should also be noted that not all agricultural commodities were covered by the New Deal farm program, but milk was.

The idea that raw milk (which I grew up with) is “better” is totally bogus.  There is not a shred of credible scientific evidence to prove otherwise.  There are plenty of “unsubstantiated, unproven, unverifiable internet opinions” on the topic.  One may believe what they will, in these matters I stick with the scientific method.  Raw milk can be safe, and it generally is, but never nutritionally better than pasteurized milk.  If there is any potential for contamination anywhere in the supply stream from the cow’s teat to someone’s mouth, because milk is such an excellent media for bacterial incubation the contamination can quickly become pathological.  Food Safety News.  If one wants to drink raw milk or butter and cheese from it, the best bet is to milk your own cow and have fresh milk daily.  The second best approach would be to get it from a very local neighbor that one knows very well.  Personally I would never buy raw dairy products retail as I have no control over what “might have inadvertently” happened between the cow and my glass, and if something did go wrong on that trip, even though it would rarely happen, the result could be devastatingly pathological.

Despite the misinformation presented a couple of posts ago, the reason that pasteurization was initially introduced was because of widespread outbreaks of tuberculosis and brucellosis (undulant fever in humans) which are readily spread from cows to humans through milk (one of the few instances where there is direct transference of a disease between mammals of different species).  Today it hypothesized that Johne’s Disease in cows may cause Crohn’s Disease in humans who drink raw milk from contaminated cows, but the research is ongoing and inconclusive at the moment.  After wide spread adoption of pasteurization for disease control it was observed that shelf life was vastly improved also.


 
 

Meg,

I believe the answer to your question is found in the writings and philosophy of Lenin and Marx. They believed that through economic depression, the government gained leverage to push through unpopular reforms. History has proven them right. By Vote of the People examined the times in which the people residing in Democracies relinquished their liberties due to economic depression. As I remember, the book was written in the '50's, at the time it was written he cited 8 examples. Probably the most obvious example that I can think of was Stalin's forced starvation throughout the Ukraine.

They also believed that war was the fastest way to transform a society. That is true both in terms of a conquered nation as well as the victor. Consider the patriot Act.

Also pertinent to this discussion is the fact that depressions simply do happen arbitrarily. "Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate." Pres. James Garfield

Garfield was αssαssιnαtҽd several weeks after making that statement. Presidents Wilson, Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy also made statements about a select group of the elite who control our government. During the depression Lindburg and others stated in the congressional record that the depression was created. J.P. Morgan shorted the market all the way down.

Remember, these are the same people who have so often stated that the world is overpopulated by 90%. A reduced population is one which is far easier to control. It was far more difficult for Japan to conquer China than to occupy her. So I see a totalitarian government being a major part of this. Indefinite Detention was a significant step toward that end. When that happens growing and storing food will be outlawed.

The more difficult question is: when will they pull the plug?