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Offline Croix de Fer

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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2014, 10:15:23 AM »
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  • Andy, you might fight Greg Hunter's site informative. He touches on issues, mainly regarding the economy but not exclusive to it, that are ignored by the mainstream Mockingbird shills. Check out his site: http://usawatchdog.com/
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #2 on: December 03, 2014, 10:23:32 AM »
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    Thanks for the tip. In fact, I already I am on his email list and watch his interviews.

    Another good one is:

    http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/


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    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2014, 11:17:49 AM »
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  • Dr. Roberts is always efficient in delivery.  An excerpt from this article:
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    In other words, the illegal rigging of the price of gold in the futures market is deemed by the US government to be essential to the success of its economic policy, just as illegal torture, illegal military invasions and attacks on sovereign countries, unconstitutional violation of habeas corpus, unconstitutional spying on U.S. citizens, and illegal and unconstitutional murder of U.S. citizens by the executive branch are essential to the U.S. government’s “war on terror.”


    Buillon Bulls Canada is reminiscent of Zerohedge, with more/sometimes better analysis.  They have an excellent article entitled 'The Morality and Legality of Debt Jubilee' that I highly recommend.

    Thanks as always, Andy and Ascent.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 07, 2014, 09:27:28 PM »
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    To Ascent

    Thanks for the tip. In fact, I already I am on his email list and watch his interviews.

    Another good one is: http://www.bullionbullscanada./



    One of his guests, analyst Rob Kirby of Toronto, claims that gold is priced at $1200 an ounce in America when in fact it is being sold at about $1800 an ounce in Asia. What I made out is that while gold dealers in America are quoting the price of $1200, they are in fact not putting any of their stock for sale. I'm just confused about this. Why are they indulging in this farce and why are they not selling their gold in Asia at $1800 an ounce?


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    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2014, 03:36:44 AM »
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  • Dear Fransisco,


    What this means is the futures price is $1200 (as so):

    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/metals/precious/gold.html


    But that is only a proxy measure for the value of physical gold. In the physical market, premiums or discounts to futures are applied according to supply and demand.

    Thus the $1800 figure indicates that the futures prices do not reflect true price in the physical market. And this because as you can understand from the articles posted, the precious metals prices are manipulated purposely to deter people keeping gold and silver, which are the true money as determined by God and a store of value

    Genesis 13:1-2



    "And Abram went up out of Egypt, he and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south. And he was very rich in possession of gold and silver."


    because the (freemasonic) money masters who run the financial system behind the scenes

    http://www.themoneymasters.com/

    use the fiat (paper) currency system to steal peoples labour, through inflation and deflation (deliberately contrived "booms and busts"):

     "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson



    Also, they suppress gold and silver to support the US$ which has an inverted relationship with gold because of excessive (inflationary) issue, to maintain the false appearance that the US economy is in good shape, when it is in fact in recession. Buy as much gold and silver as you can afford, becomes when the economic collapse comes, starting next year, the dollar and paper investments, will become massively and precious metals will retain their purchasing power.



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    « Reply #6 on: December 09, 2014, 03:43:14 AM »
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  • Correction:

     Buy as much gold and silver as you can afford, becomes when the economic collapse comes, starting next year, the dollar and paper investments, will become massively devalued, but precious metals will retain their purchasing power.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 06:58:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Francisco
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    To Ascent

    Thanks for the tip. In fact, I already I am on his email list and watch his interviews.

    Another good one is: http://www.bullionbullscanada./



    One of his guests, analyst Rob Kirby of Toronto, claims that gold is priced at $1200 an ounce in America when in fact it is being sold at about $1800 an ounce in Asia. What I made out is that while gold dealers in America are quoting the price of $1200, they are in fact not putting any of their stock for sale. I'm just confused about this. Why are they indulging in this farce and why are they not selling their gold in Asia at $1800 an ounce?


    Asia is a pretty large place, where exactly is it $1800?

    You can buy gold bullion coins, Krugerrands, in London for just over $1200.  Therefore short of some government tax and highly efficient customs detection, it stands to reason that they cannot be being sold in Asia for 50 percent more.  That would be an arbitrage opportunity so enormous that the gap would soon be brought down.

    Here is the price for physical bullion in one of Singapore's larger high street bullion dealers.  I think we can all agree that Singapore is firmly in Asia.

    https://www.bullionstar.com/buy/gold-coins


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    « Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 08:26:27 AM »
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  • He may have been referring to those who need to buy large volumes, to cover short positions into the Asian markets.


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-08/historic-inversion-gold-gofo-rates-turn-negative-first-time-lehman


    Or maybe a local, momentary shortage eg:

    http://www.silverdoctors.com/silver-eagle-maple-leaf-record-sales-five-times-larger-than-2007/









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    « Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 08:29:00 AM »
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    Dear Fransisco,


    What this means is the futures price is $1200 (as so):

    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/metals/precious/gold.html


    But that is only a proxy measure for the value of physical gold. In the physical market, premiums or discounts to futures are applied according to supply and demand.

    Thus the $1800 figure indicates that the futures prices do not reflect true price in the physical market. And this because as you can understand from the articles posted, the precious metals prices are manipulated purposely to deter people keeping gold and silver, which are the true money as determined by God and a store of value

    Genesis 13:1-2



    "And Abram went up out of Egypt, he and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south. And he was very rich in possession of gold and silver."


    because the (freemasonic) money masters who run the financial system behind the scenes

    http://www.themoneymasters.com/

    use the fiat (paper) currency system to steal peoples labour, through inflation and deflation (deliberately contrived "booms and busts"):

     "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson



    Also, they suppress gold and silver to support the US$ which has an inverted relationship with gold because of excessive (inflationary) issue, to maintain the false appearance that the US economy is in good shape, when it is in fact in recession. Buy as much gold and silver as you can afford, becomes when the economic collapse comes, starting next year, the dollar and paper investments, will become massively and precious metals will retain their purchasing power.


    Thanks for the explanation!

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    « Reply #10 on: December 09, 2014, 08:36:07 AM »
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    Thanks for the tip. In fact, I already I am on his email list and watch his interviews.

    Another good one is: http://www.bullionbullscanada./



    One of his guests, analyst Rob Kirby of Toronto, claims that gold is priced at $1200 an ounce in America when in fact it is being sold at about $1800 an ounce in Asia. What I made out is that while gold dealers in America are quoting the price of $1200, they are in fact not putting any of their stock for sale. I'm just confused about this. Why are they indulging in this farce and why are they not selling their gold in Asia at $1800 an ounce?


    Asia is a pretty large place, where exactly is it $1800?

    You can buy gold bullion coins, Krugerrands, in London for just over $1200.  Therefore short of some government tax and highly efficient customs detection, it stands to reason that they cannot be being sold in Asia for 50 percent more.  That would be an arbitrage opportunity so enormous that the gap would soon be brought down.

    Here is the price for physical bullion in one of Singapore's larger high street bullion dealers.  I think we can all agree that Singapore is firmly in Asia.

    https://www.bullionstar.com/buy/gold-coins


    I've tried to search, without luck, for the video which claimed gold was being sold "in Asia" for $1800. Here is a video dated October, 2014 with the same two participants. I have gone through it but no mention is made of gold prices. I doubt it is the same one but here is the link anyway:



     

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