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Offline Seraphina

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Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2022, 09:53:13 AM »
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  • I’m surviving because my insecure housing costs me nothing.  I’ve been using a food pantry and have done a few swaps at a clothing exchange both run by a Protestant church.  I do pet-sitting, occasional house sitting, mend clothing, sell crafts in town through a few businesses that don’t don’t take a huge cut.  Next weekend there is a river and canoe festival, so I’ve arranged to rent half a booth at the flea market.  My pre-Covid job evaporated leaving me eligible for nothing, no unemployment, no stimulus check, just, well, “Bye. Have a nice life if you live that long.”  I can’t work in my former profession without a jab, and of the kinds of jobs that are available, I physically can't do them.  Nobody gives a college loan to a 63 year old, and if they did, I’d not accept as the chances of being able to pay it back are exceedingly slim.  I just exist hand to mouth.  So far, God hasn’t let me starve or perish from exposure.  Fortunately, I don’t have children or any financial dependents except my dogs.  My cat earns her own keep as rodent control officer.  At present, I don’t really need anything else.  


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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #16 on: August 16, 2022, 11:49:05 AM »
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  • Long term I don't think the "labor shortage" is long term or catastrophic, and the current situation has multiple causes.

    1.  Older workers retired, especially those whose positions were shut down during the pandemic.  Yes, I know, these workers did not typically fill the service, retail, and hospitality sector jobs (though some did, especially in the management / supervisor positions).  However, with the economy reopening many of these choose to remain retired or are finding that age discrimination is still a very real thing (it is true).  This opens up opportunities for those who might otherwise not have many choices outside of the service, retail, and hospitality sector.

    2.  While not a large group, some retire earlier than planned to help care for an ageing parent, as I did.  Now that that obligation is past, I find that few will hire a 71-year-old to work cattle (what I know how to do best), and though I am physically capable I don't necessarily want to anymore work a vigorous 40-50 hours per week outside in bad weather.  Multiple part time gigs with more flexibility suits me more now.

    3. An "over scheduled" economy.  While some sectors need to operate 24/7/365 ... emergency responders, hospitals, care facilities, funeral homes, livestock production, crop production seasonally (and with the latter three it is more of having someone "on call", the actual work may only be 10-15 hours per day), most don't need to be "open for business" all that time.  I had a short lived career with Lowe's in 2020 (the most miserable 40 days of my life).  During Day Light Time hours they are open 6:00 AM - 10:00 PM (except Sunday, 7:00 AM - 9:00 PM).  While I didn't have access to the sales numbers there were many times at the start and end of the day where it didn't seem like they were doing enough sales to cover the overhead of keeping the store open, yet they were ALWAYS complaining that they needed more help.  Businesses could align their open hours with the available work force!  Why does a grocery store need to be open 24 hours a day, or 5:00 AM - 12:00 PM?  And people shouldn't be shopping and eating out on Sunday's, except for absolute essentials or while traveling, so there shouldn't be a need to make other people work on Sunday's to serve them.

    4. There are ways people get by other than public benefit checks, especially if they are single.  I'm on the board of the local St. Vincent de Paul Conference and volunteer at their food bank, where I meet a lot of these people.  They may live at home or a bunch of people may share a house or apartment.  In urban areas public transit, a bicycle, or a scooter can eliminate the need for a car (it can be cheaper to rent a car for the few times one is really needed, rather than own).  Urban gardening is a real thing, community garden plots are available, a lot of salad can be grown on an apartment balcony, chickens can be kept in the back yard.  Every state has a Master Gardener program which can help people learn how to garden.  SNAP benefits and food banks can stretch available income, shopping at thrift shops, yard sales, church rummage sales for cloths and household goods stretches it further.  In some areas an underground cash economy may be thriving with lots of temp but regular gigs, which won't show up in the employment statistics.

    Nobody is getting rich doing #4 and those who do work it usually hope it is only temporary until they can find something better.  In many cases they may find #4 preferable to a minimum wage service, retail, hospitality sector job with erratic and unpredictable hours and no benefits. 


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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #17 on: August 16, 2022, 05:09:29 PM »
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  • 4. In urban areas public transit, a bicycle, or a scooter can eliminate the need for a car (it can be cheaper to rent a car for the few times one is really needed, rather than own). 

    So what you really mean is, in the BIG city, as in megalopolises with 1 million+ population. In fact, you might have to be in Manhattan. Even large, Top 10 mega-cities like Austin, San Antonio, and Houston require owning a car.

    You can be QUITE urban, in a town of 200K or 250K people, and have CRAP for public transportation. This is the USA.

    It's not just those in rural, ultra rural, and suburban locations that NEED a car to get around.

    At any rate, I haven't heard or seen any evidence that car ownership is even 1/10th of 1% less popular than it was in January 2020. I don't think anyone is ditching their car, who didn't already live a car-free lifestyle in 2019.
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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #18 on: August 16, 2022, 06:22:00 PM »
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  • Are we seeing an increase in jobs that are remote?  I wonder if many people who worked these other jobs found a job where they can work from home.  After COVID, it may be that a lot of people just don't want to commute to work/work with the public anymore.
    Yes. I personally know a decent chunk of ex-professors/ex-teachers who retired during Covid. They ALL work remote now.
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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #20 on: September 24, 2022, 01:41:50 PM »
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  • Stuck between the (((Feral Rezerve Bank and Big Pharma))), like a rock and a hard place, or between Scylla and Charybdis.

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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #21 on: September 24, 2022, 02:21:48 PM »
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  • I took early retirement at age 62 in the spring of 2020. By July I was bored and getting fatter. So I got a part time job working two days a week and they talked to me into working full time. So now I work four shifts a week which is full-time but keeps my income below the limit where social security won't take half of what I make over the limit.

    I'll be 65 in a few months and I won't have to pay for Medicare out of my social security check because I have an excellent health insurance policy through my workplace for less than 80 bucks a month. That includes vision and dental and is less than half of what Medicare would cost. The insurance is through Humana and a friend of mine's wife works in the insurance department for Humana and told me that my policy is not only better than what they offer their employees, I'm only paying around 30% of what she pays.

    Anyhow, point is I plan to work until I'm no longer able to do so. The benefits package of my job is hard to beat. 11 paid holidays, 2 paid personal days a year, two weeks paid vacation per year, and we earn 1 paid sick day per month that accuмulate up to 60 days.

    So in my case I'm blessed with more incentive to work than not.

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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #22 on: September 24, 2022, 03:16:14 PM »
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  • In Spain there is also news that there is a lack of workers, for example in building. But I go into infojobs, I search for building worker jobs. I choose a random job offer, and I find this:

    https://www.infojobs.net/riudellots-de-la-selva/peon-peona-construccion/of-ic7f07c0730473eb9326f83e0691732?applicationOrigin=search-new&page=1&sortBy=RELEVANCE

    Building pawn

    An operator is needed to carry out electrical installations, photovoltaic panels, water installations, acc installations, renewable energy installations,...

    Requirements
    Minimum studies:
    no studies
    Minimum experience:
    Not Required


    83 registered for this offer for 2 vacancies

    That is, you have more than 40 people per vacancy. Can you explain to me what is the construction workers shortage if you publish an offer for building pawn and more than 40 people apply per vacancy?

    To me this looks like a campaign to bring mass immigration and labor dumping. It's not the first time they do it, at least here, it is something recurrent.


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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #23 on: September 24, 2022, 06:21:39 PM »
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  • One of the phenomenons is also what they call quiet quitting.
    In other words employees are not working extra
    So people are not going to work overtime or extra shifts if they're not getting a living wage.
    People got a glimpse of staying home and not doing extra work during COVID. They like it
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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #24 on: September 24, 2022, 06:47:02 PM »
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  • "Quiet quitting" sounds a little like Irish goodbyes, or a French exit, or ghosting ... Whatever way people go, percentagewise de Covidlandia, the outcomes typically will be more survivable for the unvaccinated. No offense or coldness to the vaccinated intended, but that may be how it goes, at least in part.

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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #25 on: September 24, 2022, 07:24:25 PM »
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  • They're not quitting. They just are not working more than 40 hrs which means companies have to hire to cover the extrad
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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #26 on: September 24, 2022, 07:35:36 PM »
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  • Besides questions of the wallet, and things being tough all over, there are the circle and the sphere, and the frequency. Averroes and Aristotle both agreed, also with Zocrates and Xenotonotos, that there are always frequencies for everything and government and nature.

    In the past, one has seen how companies sometimes like to keep workers below 40 hours a week, or below fulltime implications, since that way they don't have to give them any dental or liver insurance or accidental dismemberment policy protection ... and so forth.

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    Re: Ongoing worker shortage?
    « Reply #27 on: September 24, 2022, 09:35:49 PM »
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  • Back the 1980’s , most guys in construction were young men.  Now it’s mostly older men.  

    These young people today are employed as “activists”.  They don’t know what real work is.  Schools brainwash children to be lazy.  And most are involved in camps instead of working during summer. 

    I knew a traditional Catholic couple who were older and had medical problems and worked at Walmart.  They always were busy and kept their departments neat and were available to help customers.  These young employees today at Walmart just stand around talking or hiding out in the bathroom playing with their cell phones. 



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