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Offline Hobbledehoy

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« on: July 06, 2012, 09:32:30 PM »
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  • Has anyone else had their mortgage sold by the Bank to an out-of-State, private entity?

    I'm kinda creeped out by the fact that I am now to answer to a private company that is in another State and of which I had never heard hitherto, rather to a Bank with whose procedures I am now familiar and that is obliged to follow governmental directives in the wake of systematically wrought fraudulent foreclosures.

    I don't know what this new development will bring, and I earnestly beseech you for your prayers for those who shall also be affected by similar happenings throughout the country.

    Maybe I'm the only one who has experienced this so far. If so, I hope I remain the only one.

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    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 10:39:07 PM »
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  • When I sold my house, which was owned by my mom and then passed to me, a month or so later, I got a note from some unknown entity saying that they were a trustee.  I thought for a second that my mom had borrowed money I didn't know about and signed someone else as the trustee to the estate.

    It turns out that the bank had passed or sold our loan to some kind of loan shark outfit, and the note was telling me that it was now paid off.  I am not good with finance so can't really understand it, but I think that's what it was.  It was not from the bank, but from some agency working with the bank.

    Yes, what you're talking about is ominous.  There is nothing stopping them from changing the laws and making it a punishable offense to be in debt, as it was through most of history; I mean beyond putting liens on all that you have.  I'm talking about putting people in prison who can't pay.  Which of course is all the more infuriating in that the markets were rigged and people were led like lambs to slaughter. Although surely at least some people bear SOME responsibility for taking out loans that they must have known were incredibly risky -- not to mention flat-out toxic.

    If the devil can produce Antichrist, it is likely that that is what the prison camps are being built for, and it is likely that Antichrist would present "manna" to people who he will appear to be rescuing from debtors' prison.  However, the devil will not produce Antichrist in our time, as we know from prophecy, and in all likelihood, the whole system will collapse before you are thrown in prison or anything like that.  Of course, the system collapsing is no fun to endure either...



    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 10:45:18 PM »
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  • All the people who are trying to live high on the hog, even these Catholics who boast about their money, are acting extremely foolishly.  The government is absolutely unstable and the laws can be changed anytime.  

    It is shocking to see people at this late date walking blindly into traps, because they can't bear to live frugally. Just one example of the financial insanity going on, is that people take out college loans, the interest of which can change at any time.  So they can jack it up as much as they want and you have to pay, even if you can't find a job, which many can't.  

    We are no longer in a time that even has an illusion of prosperity, yet people still take out these loans.  Heck, people still take out gigantic loans to buy houses, loans that stretch over 20 or 30 years, with very little money down, though almost all jobs are incredibly unstable.  And just to do this, both members of a married couple have to have full-time jobs, and have very little left over after the mortgage is paid... It is simply unbelievable, the blindness of people who cannot fathom that the American way of life is over.  This is the end of the Protestant work ethic, these people who are living miserable lives like Egyptian slaves just because they think they have to be in the best neighborhoods.  And one day, they could very well be real slaves, if they do decide to jail debtors, the possibility of which would at least make me nervous, even if I don't believe it will happen.

    It is astonishing, what we are seeing.  It is like a new Egypt, with people working harder and harder for less and less, getting prematurely aged, worn out, going insane, popping pills, and all in the name of the form of happiness they have been sold by the devil.  In their search for pleasure is nothing but pain.  And then there are the Catholics who defend the economic liberalism that got us here, and think more of it is the answer...

    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 07, 2012, 02:06:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    If the devil can produce Antichrist, it is likely that that is what the prison camps are being built for, and it is likely that Antichrist would present "manna" to people who he will appear to be rescuing from debtors' prison.  However, the devil will not produce Antichrist in our time, as we know from prophecy, and in all likelihood, the whole system will collapse before you are thrown in prison or anything like that.  Of course, the system collapsing is no fun to endure either...


    I will have to read Rev. Fr. Cornelius à Lapide's commentary upon St. Paul's second Epistle to the Thessalonians, together with his commentary upon the Epistles and the Apocalypse of St. John, but I can safely say that whatever political modality the anti-Christ will take on will resemble the revised Leninist Marxism that nations such as China have adopted, or the subtle and perilous variant thereof that presently threatens to overcome the American Republic and its federated States.

    Not to say that the Obamination is the anti-Christ, for the Fathers have taught that anti-Christ is to be a Jєω, but he is paving the way for him in key ways. The U.S.A. is a colony of Israel, anyways.

    Such sublime eschatological matters ought not to be politicized, but that is quite difficult to do when your mortgage is being trafficked, and when I basically have to pay an anti-Christian government taxes that I cannot afford...
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 03:20:20 PM »
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  • They used your Signed Note to MAKE and create Money.
    Your signature paid for the Home at closing. You OWN It.
    Banks have done it (Scam) for 100+ years.
    You wouldnt know IF they sold it, as long as they continued to SERVICE the debt.


    Ive never represented myself as an xpert, though Ive taken on a major bank in a credit card case (Won), and also defeated a 2nd Major Bank-2nd largest Bank in America in court, regarding my mortgage (Death Pledge), after/when I noticed discrepencies and fraud related to TILA and RESPA issues and subsequently filed Quiet Title.
    Free and Clear Home.


    I believe that Your consent is voluntary  in Court, and only when jurisidiction is not challegned, do they have authoroity. State and Fed BK courts are where most people are having success, district courts are KANGAROO like, and rush the dckets to get to Summary Judgment, (Not hearing the case or trying it) so there is a strategy that must be employed (Court Transcripts etc)

    One thing we have not discussed yet is Credit Defaut Swaps..



    Credit Default Swaps.

    Under the terms of the Deed of Trust, it says something like “upon complete satisfaction of the note, the lender/Trustee must reconvey the property back to the homeowner”. By this very definition, your loan has been satisfied and your lender does not have the right to foreclose on your loan.


    When Wall Street securitized loans...ANYONE (and I mean ANYONE) can buy an insurance policy against a loan in the event that that loan defaults. Under a traditional insurance framework, only a party with a vested interest can buy an insurance policy, but this is not the case in a credit default swap. Let's say you own 1/100th of the loan (meaning you are one of 100 investors in the pool), you can buy a credit default swap policy for the FULL FACE VALUE of the loan....such that in the event that the loan defaults, you get paid in full.

    Let me repeat that in case you missed it.
    Let's say John Doe works at a fast food joint on a minimum wage...goes out and gets a loan for a $1 million dollars with no money down. The loan gets securitized and is sold to 100 investors. Let's say ABC Bank is the originator and underwriter for the loan and is also one of those investors...in other words, ABC owns 1/100th of the $1M loan....ie. $10,000.

    ABC takes out a Credit Default Swap insurance policy through AIG for the full $1M. Because ABC knows full well that John Doe is likely to default on the loan, it is in ABC's interest to insure the loan against the default.
    Once John Doe defaults on the loan...ABC gets paid in full for the whole $1M. This $1M goes to satisfy the loan in its entirety.

    In other words, the loan has been fully satisfied.
    The debt has been paid in full.

    Yet...ABC continues to collect on the loan...and even goes to the extent of foreclosing on the homeowners.
    Talk about "having your cake and eat it too".
    How many times do these people need to be paid to satisfy their greed?! How many bail outs does it take before people start saying "ENOUGH!"
    When homeowners go to court and present evidence that their loan has been fully satisfied and paid in full, the banks are backing off..and offering sizable settlements. Of course banks do not want you to know this sort of information and have gone to great lengths to hide it from the public.

    Some good legal researchers recently gained access to a vast database of all Credit Default Swaps in the USA. It is my belief that most loans are subject to credit default swaps.

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    The curtain is being pulled on the money scams, Foreclosure cases and LAW have Proven this, and it is now being practiced in the courtrooms, and its only getting worse for Banksters.





    US Supreme Court in Carpenter, states that possibility exists; that a Note can be separated from the Deed of Trust/Mortgage, and that it is a nullity when it happens.
    Banks decoupled the note from the Deed of Trust (Mortgage) = Nullity* = FILE Quiet Title.

    *Carpenter v. Longan, 83 U.S. 271, at 274 – “…while an assignment of the latter alone is a nullity”.

    Nullity means VOID. Empty. Dead. Unenforceable.
    ….Whether the bank has the original wet-ink paperwork or not (Usually they dont but sophisticated Forgeries via Electronic counterfeit copies-another subject).

    Every Homeowner (Current or behind) should Fight the security instrument (Mortgage or Deed of Trust) in a prompt quiet title FIRST.
    Then you have the time to fight these Note arguments with discovery. These Note chains-of-title stink, and the banks are aggressively hiding something regarding them, from us all.
    Banking is a Ponzi game.
    The mortgages are Null. End the Fed.

    CUSIP numbers in Discovery point whether/if the security was transferred to the trust while the loan was still an application and not yet a note, the transfer is either invalid or reflects that the trust possesses ownership rights to an application.
    The application would be worthless and certainly unsecured.



    Investors indirectly fund the securitization of a “POOL” of securitized receivables. Thereafter, the pools are combined with other pools and multiple tranches, thus, forming CDOs – which are derived from the securities – which are derived from the receivables – which are derived from individual loans. There is no funding by investors for individual loans – and, therefore, investors can never be considered your “creditor” or “lender.”

    Overcollateralization is not the “yield spread premium.” YSP is the “bonus” paid to mortgage brokers to deliver higher interest rate loans to the purchasing bank.

    Overcollateralization is when the face value of the underlying loan PORTFOLIO (Pool) is larger than the security it backs. Banks were able to overcollaterize due to credit enhancement in the pool tranche structure. That is, they were able to sell the securities for less than the value of the pool of receivables the bank owned because the risk to security investors of default was supposedly mitigated by a trance structure in which the higher risk (lower tier) tranches protected the lower risk (higher tier ) tranches. Further, the risk was supposedly mitigated by combining many pools and tranches into CDOs. By not removing loans from pools – when the loan was actually not securitized into that pool or sold upon default- allowed for multiple inclusion of individual loans in separate pools.
    You have to go the TILA(TRUTH IN LENDING ACT) and definitions of Creditor (and the TILA Amendment in May 2009) to understand who is considered a lender/creditor to an individual loan borrower.

    How the creditor/lender pools loans to pass through income streams is bank’s business – but those derivative securities investors are never individually funding any loan – those derivative investors are only interested in a pool -in which your loan may or may not be very fractionally represented.

    Overcollateraliztion was to supposed to protect CDO investors from loans that went into default.
    Thus, providing enough money to cover those defaults. The derivative securities, therefore, could be purchased for much less than the face value of the “pool” and multiple “pools”. But, the defaults came so fast that the the pool and pool’s value collapsed – causing the CDO’s value to fall to zero.
    Individual loans were funded by warehouse lines of credit that the purchasing banks provided to originators. This is the missing link in Chain of Securitization that is never disclosed – making any Conveyance of individual loans to any trust – False.


    99% of Mortgages in America are Invalid, and we will see this blow up in their faces.


    The scam has gone on Far too long and it will soon be over for the Banksters. They forget that they have to come home every evening from work...tar and feathers goes well with pinstripe.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 06:05:05 PM »
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  • The bank that holds your mortgage can, at any time, sell your mortgage to a private entity.  You will never know it and you give consent when you sign your mortgage papers.  

    I don't know how they can do it, but they do.  

    So far, our mortgage hasn't been sold but our mortgage company has.  Who really knows who is actually holding our mortgages?  I think it's all a shell game and eventually we will all lose anyway.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 07:57:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: CathMomof7
    The bank that holds your mortgage can, at any time, sell your mortgage to a private entity.  You will never know it and you give consent when you sign your mortgage papers.  

    I don't know how they can do it, but they do.  

    So far, our mortgage hasn't been sold but our mortgage company has.  Who really knows who is actually holding our mortgages?  I think it's all a shell game and eventually we will all lose anyway.


    Think of it this way....your Mortgage  (Mortgate means DEATH PLEDGE in LATIN) has been Securitized, the NOTE and MORTGAGE Were seperated, thereby Making it null and void.

    This Securitiy was then put into a Blender and fdrom 5-100 Investors have a piece of it.  That is what is being adjudicated in court...and we are winning slowly.

    This is why all hell will break loose with the Banksters. Pandoras box has been opened.
    Their Shell game exposed for what it is.

    They have NO Standing In Court-They are NOT Holders in Due Course...but Pretender Lenders.
     Court is not about who is right or wrong, its about arguing procedure ie legalese and why theyve gotten away with it.

    Every homeowner current or behind, Should file a QUIET TITLE on their HOME.
    Read on it and protect your home and assert your rights.

    If you dont know your rights, you dont have any.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 09:37:28 PM »
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    I think it's all a shell game and eventually we will all lose anyway.


    No, actually these unscrupulous money-makers will be the ones to lose eventually: lose their souls, that is.

    Yes, we are indentured servants of faceless investors, Banks, third-party private entities, etc., according to kilograms of ink and paper, but they cannot claim what truly matters: our immortal souls.

    If we persevere in the profession and practice of the Holy Faith, we will win: that is, we will attain to everlasting beatitude in Heaven.

    They may claim to have our houses, but they can never claim to have our home, and our true home is the celestial Fatherland whereto we ought always to tend in a ceaseless augmentation of the theological virtues, together with the acquired and infused moral virtues, under greater and greater influence of the Gifts of the Holy Ghost unimpeded by cupidity and pride: by means of vocal and mental prayer (especially the Holy Rosary), the devout reception of the Holy Sacraments, self-abnegation as expressed by interior and exterior mortification, and detachment from self and all other created things together with filial self-abandonment to Divine Providence.

    The holy Martyrs knew this well, and thus they faced the most horrendous torments with magnanimity and simplicity of heart.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 08, 2012, 05:59:37 PM »
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  • SaintBasil, I would have to really go over that with a fine-toothed comb, but what caught my eye right away is that "investors are not lenders."  That could make sense.  Therefore, if the bank puts your loan in some kind of securitized pool, it is no longer owned by the bank, but by that shadowy group of faceless investors -- who you did not make an agreement with.

    However, the question this raises, for me, is: When signing for the mortgage, do you sign off on something saying that the bank can sell the loan to whoever they'd like?  Something tells me you do sign this; does this make the investors lenders after all?

    I get wary when someone says "All mortgages are illegal, the Fed is illegal, you don't owe anyone anything," it sounds like an American fantasist way of thinking.

    I don't get the credit default swap idea.  Okay, the bank gets paid back by the government or whatever if someone defaults... How is that getting paid twice?  If you default, they never get any money from you.  






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    « Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 07:17:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    All the people who are trying to live high on the hog, even these Catholics who boast about their money, are acting extremely foolishly.  The government is absolutely unstable and the laws can be changed anytime.  

    It is shocking to see people at this late date walking blindly into traps, because they can't bear to live frugally. Just one example of the financial insanity going on, is that people take out college loans, the interest of which can change at any time.  So they can jack it up as much as they want and you have to pay, even if you can't find a job, which many can't.  

    We are no longer in a time that even has an illusion of prosperity, yet people still take out these loans.  Heck, people still take out gigantic loans to buy houses, loans that stretch over 20 or 30 years, with very little money down, though almost all jobs are incredibly unstable.  And just to do this, both members of a married couple have to have full-time jobs, and have very little left over after the mortgage is paid... It is simply unbelievable, the blindness of people who cannot fathom that the American way of life is over.  This is the end of the Protestant work ethic, these people who are living miserable lives like Egyptian slaves just because they think they have to be in the best neighborhoods.  And one day, they could very well be real slaves, if they do decide to jail debtors, the possibility of which would at least make me nervous, even if I don't believe it will happen.

    It is astonishing, what we are seeing.  It is like a new Egypt, with people working harder and harder for less and less, getting prematurely aged, worn out, going insane, popping pills, and all in the name of the form of happiness they have been sold by the devil.  In their search for pleasure is nothing but pain.  And then there are the Catholics who defend the economic liberalism that got us here, and think more of it is the answer...



    A word of financial wisdom.  I have spent 20 years in investment banking technology and the buying and selling of companies.  I know something about the modern money system and how it works.

    If you have at least 20% money down on a house and a repayment mortgage you are in a MUCH better situation than the vast majority of society. As a rule of thumb a married couple in the US now should be putting $50,000 down on a $250,000 home to start a family.

    During the first 10 years of your marriage you pay off the mortgage as fast as possible.  Forgoing the newer car, skipping the odd holiday, putting in some overtime you overpay $5000 per year.  By year 11-20 your mortgage is 30-50% of what rent would be on a similar home.  You then have more net income to spend on college funds etc.

    Banks are not making much money from mortgages at all.  After servicing costs they are one of the least profitable activities for most retail banks.  They offer them to sell you the profitable stuff like life insurance and pensions fund management.  If you pay off quicker than term the banks are pretty much losing money on you, just like when you pay off a credit card every month without fail.

    College loans I agree are dumb for many people.  Do the maths before taking one out as you can do very well in corporate land without a college degree.  But buying a house today in most of the US is probably a smart move for two reasons.

    1.  They cannot repossess everyone without having riots and anarchy.  Worst case the most delinquent 20% will lose their homes and then the market self-corrects or .gov steps in.  Simple.  Stay in the top 80%.

    2.  You can fix at historically low interest rates.  There is a very significant chance that inflation or hyper-inflation will pay your mortgage for you.

    3.  The government are in debt, the bankers are in debt.   They set the interest rates and make the laws.  Being in debt but less debt than Joe Public is a smart move.

    4.  Possession is 9/10th of the law.  The NINJAs who stayed in their million dollar homes for six years after 1 mortgage payment actually did very well from the whole deal.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 10, 2012, 06:49:36 PM »
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    A word of financial wisdom.  I have spent 20 years in investment banking technology and the buying and selling of companies.  I know something about the modern money system and how it works.

    If you have at least 20% money down on a house and a repayment mortgage you are in a MUCH better situation than the vast majority of society. As a rule of thumb a married couple in the US now should be putting $50,000 down on a $250,000 home to start a family.

    During the first 10 years of your marriage you pay off the mortgage as fast as possible.  Forgoing the newer car, skipping the odd holiday, putting in some overtime you overpay $5000 per year.  By year 11-20 your mortgage is 30-50% of what rent would be on a similar home.  You then have more net income to spend on college funds etc.

    Banks are not making much money from mortgages at all.  After servicing costs they are one of the least profitable activities for most retail banks.  They offer them to sell you the profitable stuff like life insurance and pensions fund management.  If you pay off quicker than term the banks are pretty much losing money on you, just like when you pay off a credit card every month without fail.

    College loans I agree are dumb for many people.  Do the maths before taking one out as you can do very well in corporate land without a college degree.  But buying a house today in most of the US is probably a smart move for two reasons.

    1.  They cannot repossess everyone without having riots and anarchy.  Worst case the most delinquent 20% will lose their homes and then the market self-corrects or .gov steps in.  Simple.  Stay in the top 80%.

    2.  You can fix at historically low interest rates.  There is a very significant chance that inflation or hyper-inflation will pay your mortgage for you.

    3.  The government are in debt, the bankers are in debt.   They set the interest rates and make the laws.  Being in debt but less debt than Joe Public is a smart move.

    4.  Possession is 9/10th of the law.  The NINJAs who stayed in their million dollar homes for six years after 1 mortgage payment actually did very well from the whole deal.


    Greg,
    I dont agree with hardly anything you have stated.

    You should NEVER put more down than necessary, save for bad times-buy hard assets like gold/silver/land/businesses that are Depression proof.

    Additionally, one is putting good money on a bad investment.  Real estate prices wont correct for another 2-10 years..its all supply/demand and theres alot more Undisclosed supply than we know, as banksters dont want to  crash the real estate market.

    You can bargain shop-bank owned, BUT dont expect to make money, Just expect to not lose as much.  B
    eing in any debt is bad, paying 3 times for a home than what its worth over 20-30 years is stupid,  any way you look at it, and its what theyve done to us.

    One can do a strategic default with little down OR better yet, have a neighbor in foreclosre ign over a quick claim for $1000 and then fight the pretender lender yourself.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 04:32:19 AM »
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  • You are free to agree or disagree.

    You don't know what will happen to real estate prices. If you knew the future you would be a billionaire. Most young traditional couples want a home to live in which they can extend, modify, dig up the garden. They cannot do that in rented accomodation.

    You are not paying 3 times the price because the value of currency decreases over time.  Hyperinflation looks likely since America can only pay its debts by printing money. If thing get bad enough debts will be cancelled.

    As for fighting the banks in court, good luck with that. A few people win, most lose. The powers that be are hardly going to bail the banks out with free money and then let the courts destroy their balance sheet.

    Owning your house free and clear by 40 is a worthwhile aspiration for any Trad couple.

    ps I bought gold in 2001. I sold it at 1812 per ounce.  When central banks want to Hoover it up they can manipulate the price down.

    How old are you Basil and what is your situation?  Do you own a house?

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    « Reply #12 on: July 11, 2012, 12:28:28 PM »
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  • [ggreg]You are free to agree or disagree.
    You don't know what will happen to real estate prices. If you knew the future you would be a billionaire. Most young traditional couples want a home to live in which they can extend, modify, dig up the garden. They cannot do that in rented accomodation."

    REPLY-  I do know economics, supply and demand.
    I KNOW that Banks are hording inventory, Look at the vacant houses NOT up for sale, Banks sit on them.
    Experts predict 2 years at least before stabilization and thats conservative, imo.
    I dont care about being aBillionaire, money is not my GOD. I could have job on Wall Street tomorrow working for a large Hedge fund, its not what I desire.




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    [ggreg]
    You are not paying 3 times the price because the value of currency decreases over time.  
    Hyperinflation looks likely since America can only pay its debts by printing money. If thing get bad enough debts will be cancelled.'
    -On a Truth In Lending, it says clearly.
    You buy a home for 100,000, you pay 300,000 over time. Im not that bright, but to me, thats 3xs the price.
    Inflation adjusted or not, Its an awful investment.

    Hyperinflation will result in a win FOR THEM, not John Public.



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    As for fighting the banks in court, good luck with that. A few people win, most lose. The powers that be are hardly going to bail the banks out with free money and then let the courts destroy their balance sheet.'

    REPLY- If I can do it, anyone can.
    Takes time, study, research. Worst care, find a competent attorney who has demonstrated he has WON personally in Court, such cases.
    Docket searches are easy.
    Worst case-You move from home youre under water on, with little down, after having lived ther and fought for 2+years-average time for foreclosures in most states.  Get past Summary Judgment and youve got a better than 50% chance.
    The best defense is a good offense...Countersue on Federal Violations.
    Or prepare to go all the way to BK-lifetime appointed judges that adjudicate law, not procedure.



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    [ggreg]
    Owning your house free and clear by 40 is a worthwhile aspiration for any Trad couple.
    REPLY- Not if its a declining asset.
    Buy cheap land and build on it, rent or buy a bank owned that discounted to .65c on the 1.00

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    ps I bought gold in 2001. I sold it at 1812 per ounce.  When central banks want to Hoover it up they can manipulate the price down.
    REPLY- Gold isnt an investment, its an inflation hedge and protector.
    I dont discuss speculating. GOLD Is real wealth.


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    [ggreg]
    How old are you Basil and what is your situation?  Do you own a house?
    45, and I own 3 homes.  2 are rentals.
    3 more homes I am in litigation, and  suing my Pretender Lende, I plan on winning and receiving a somewhat large settlement, Value was 400k+

    Offline ggreg

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    « Reply #13 on: July 11, 2012, 12:57:15 PM »
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  • So basically you are a leveraged landlord or a buy-to-let landlord.  Someone who helped push up the prices in the first place, by borrowing excessive amounts of money and then rent them to young people for whatever you could get out of them.

    When your business plan failed you defaulted on the loans and ran away.  You now blame Wall Street and the greedy Jєωs but had the bubble kept on going you'd have happily taken all those rental payments and been on easy street.

    Yes, it sounds to me that you could have a job on Wall Street.  Madoff Securities or Lehman Brothers would have been right up your street.

    A house is not an "asset".  It is person's home or potential home.  It's value is irrelevant to me until I come to sell it.  The core value is that I can live in it right now keep the rain off myself and my children.

    Trade in art or exotic cars, or Persian rugs or gold.  Nobody needs those things.  Speculating on homes and forcing the prices up through borrowing money is sick and immoral in my opinion.  Many landlords are unscrupulous leeches.

    I own 1 house, all paid for, and it is all I'll ever need to own.


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    « Reply #14 on: July 11, 2012, 02:24:24 PM »
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  • [ggreg]So basically you are a leveraged landlord or a buy-to-let landlord.  Someone who helped push up the prices in the first place, by borrowing excessive amounts of money and then rent them to young people for whatever you could get out of them"
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    Wow, assume much?
    I paid Cash for distressed bank sale properties, which I rented to renters.
    Not sure how I pushed up prices, when sales comps were 50% More than what I paid.  What part of Cash is in Borrowing?


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    ggreg
    When your business plan failed you defaulted on the loans and ran away.  You now blame Wall Street and the greedy Jєωs but had the bubble kept on going you'd have happily taken all those rental payments and been on easy street.'

    REPLY
    1 We have the Head CEO of Barclays ADMITTING their role in Fraudulently manipulating the LIBOR Rate, which Banksters tied interest rates to,
    2 They bundled them fraudulently,
    3  gave them A ratings when they were Junk,
    4 Bet the other side via derivatives as they knew it would default,
    5 Receive 30xs the amount of the loan underwritten WHEN it does,
    6 Decouple the Note from th Mortgage as a security, making it a security ie null and  void,
    7 Claimed Bankruptcy for a Public BAILOUT in the Trillions..... and you wish to blame people like me who applied for a mortgage?
    I Improved my properties, helped create ownership, and did what I was asked to do.
    They created the bubble, swindled our money and foreclose on properties they dont Own.  You have some nerve  touting yourself competent in topics you have a laymans perspective at best.
    I sue my lenders after an audit where accounting irregularities and broken chains of title convey fraudulent interest.  3 Properties were ARMs and my knowledge of the legal system was not what it is now. They will pay, handsomely.



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    ggreg
    Yes, it sounds to me that you could have a job on Wall Street.  Madoff Securities or Lehman Brothers would have been right up your street.'

    REPLY-I said I have no interest in Wall Street, million dollar salary or not.


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    ggreg
    A house is not an "asset".  It is person's home or potential home.  It's value is irrelevant to me until I come to sell it.  The core value is that I can live in it right now keep the rain off myself and my children.'

    REPLY-Youre the one giving errant andfoolhardy advice to put 20% DOWN on a declining, over supplied market and calling it an asset..
    If value is irrelevant you know less about economics than you claim.


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    ggreg
    Trade in art or exotic cars, or Persian rugs or gold.  Nobody needs those things.  Speculating on homes and forcing the prices up through borrowing money is sick and immoral in my opinion.  Many landlords are unscrupulous leeches.'

    REPLY- ALL are  HardAssets, NOT Fiat debt IOU paper notes.

    The speculating was really done by those that made the market in it-Jєω h0Ɩ0cαųst Survivor Billionaire Roland Arnall is the Founder of the Subprime loan.
    Jєωs made trillions of the Goyim in the Housing 'crisis'
    BUt money doesnt disappear, it just changes hands.


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    ggreg
    I own 1 house, all paid for, and it is all I'll ever need to own.'

    REPLY- You dont OWN Anything.
    You are a Tenant, check your deed, it says Tenant or Joint Tenants in Common.
    You have tenant rights on a property you domicile in.
    Dont pay your property or income taxes,  and find out WHO really Owns it.