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Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
« on: March 06, 2013, 09:21:42 PM »
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  • So the real problem is the Fed and the devaluation of money.

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 09:23:34 PM »
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  • This is a critical point!

    THIS is why a young 18 year old man could get married right out of high school in 1964 and support a family on a minimum wage income -- at least much better than he could today.

    Why?

    Because money hadn't lost as much of its value.
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    Offline Renzo

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 01:10:33 AM »
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  • I agree.  In addition, our productivity has been increasing 1-2% annually since 1964.  So, the buying power of the dollar should have more than doubled since 1964, but instead it's declined to less than fourteen cents.  Obviously, the produce of our labor is being taken from us, our ancestors and our descendants  to a grossly unjust degree.  

    http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 01:40:45 PM »
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  • Actually, productivity has increased by an annual average of about 2%, since 1964.  So, the buying power of a $1.25 should have increased to nearly $3.25, but instead it has decreased to about 17 cents.  

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/PRS85006092

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    « Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 01:49:20 PM »
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  • If you take it all the way back to 1948, the average annual increase in productivity is around 2.3 percent.  So, the $1.25 should be worth $5.35, but instead it's worth about about 13 cents.  
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    « Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 02:01:43 PM »
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  • Actually, it is much worse than that.  I'm only accounting for increases in productivity.  If I included inflation, then I'd have to take the productivity gains first and then factor in inflation.  So, $1.25 in 1964, should be worth (because of productivity gains) $3.25 in 1964 dollars, which would be worth about $24 dollars today (because of inflation), but instead is worth about 17 cents.  Or going back to 1948, $1.25 in that years money, should be worth about $40 dollars today (because of productivity gains and inflation) but instead is worth about 13 cents (because we are being ripped off).  
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    « Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 03:09:09 PM »
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  • Another way to say it is this, what cost $1 in 1964, today would cost almost $7.50.  But, because of productivity gains, what cost $1 in 1964, today should cost about 38 cents.  

    Productivity gains in things like manufacturing, shipping, accounting, automation, ect.  It's like drywall instead of plaster walls:  much cheaper product and much lower labor cost to install.  So, home prices should be much lower, but instead they are much higher.  

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 05:32:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    So the real problem is the Fed and the devaluation of money.



    Wow!

    Is this the truth? Could some "economic expert" debunk this?



    Offline Marlelar

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #8 on: March 08, 2013, 01:24:20 PM »
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  • Just start and do a google search on devaluation and also inflation you'll find a lot of information.  Our fiat currency is worth squat today.

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #9 on: March 08, 2013, 01:25:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Hatchc
    Wow!

    Is this the truth? Could some "economic expert" debunk this?


    They would say silver was worth less then than today.

    My father managed a pop machine for my grandfather back then.

    It was rather lucrative.  He should have kept the coins.

    A bottle of Pepsi cost a silver dime.

    Still, even if you cut the current price of silver in half the minimum wage would still be significant higher than it is currently.

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #10 on: March 08, 2013, 02:32:57 PM »
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  • The Fed controls our money supply:  they inflate it/deflate it.  They have different "tools" to do that, but, if i understand it correctly, it all boils down to inflating/deflating our money supply, which is composed of things like paper money, coins, stocks, bonds, mortgages, cds, ect.  

    They always tell us that we need inflation to have a healthy economy.  They tell us deflation is the worst thing that could happen and imply that it would lead to extreme poverty for the general public.

    My impression is that inflation has caused poverty and that our productivity gains should be leading to deflation.  

    Somehow, I get the impression that the federal reserve banks are using their control of our money supply to rip us off.  The primary cause of this seems to me to be usury.  

    But all that aside, if you take all the "wages" in america they add up to less than half of our gdp.  Moreover, those "wages" used to come to that figure include "investment income."  Rendering the statistic somewhat meaningless.  

    Government consumes (including the money they borrow to fund their operations) less than one quarter of gdp.  

    The overwhelming majority of american workers have seen their real wages decline over the past several decades.  Yet, the richest one or two percent have seen their "wages" dramatically increase/skyrocket.  

    Put it this way, our nation produces 16 trillion dollars a year.  Our government consumes less than 4 trillion dollars a year.  That would leave 12 trillion dollars.  If you ignored the fact that government workers get a wage and just divided up the 12 trillion equally among all 300 million americans, each one would get 40 thousand dollars a year.  So, a family of 8 would get an income of 400 thousand dollars and if they had a government job or received government benefits, even more than that.  

    In other words, the fruits of our labor are not declining, they are increasing, but we are getting less and less of them.  One way that seems to be accomplished is by over-inflating the economy and then lying to us about it.  Another way that seems to be accomplished is by paying most of us disgustingly low wages, for what we produce (as a result of the massive productivity gains which have compounded over the centuries, since the industrial revolution).  

    The only real wealth creating machine that I know of is compounded gains in productivity.  Trying to do that with interest on loans/usury/stock market gambling, on the other hand, seems to be an illusion/an economy wrecker/poverty creator.  Although, as we can plainly see, everyone working still produces wealth and productivity gains keep on compounding, even though all that nonsense is going on.  Still, it does seem to be driving the overwhelming majority of americans into poverty and making a relatively tiny fraction fantastically rich.  





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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #11 on: March 08, 2013, 03:13:18 PM »
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  • I agree the Federal Reserve inflates the money supply and massive government spending puts the nation in debt. I'd also like to say our trade deficits caused by the free trade nonsense also destroys the value of the dollar (which is why I pay for ONLY American-made products.)

    The funny thing is that what we've done since the Bush years lead straight to the Great Depression. Back in the 1920's the Federal Reserve inflated the money supply by 55%, so the 1920's was a period of high inflation actually. This lead to the bubble bursting and the crash of 1929. Also from 2000-2007 the Federal Reserve inflated the money supply by printing more money than all of the republic's history which lead stright to the Bush depression. And just as Hoover (no small-government conservative he actually supported higher taxes, government spending, regulations on businesses, lent money to the states, gave emergency loans to businesses, renounced laissez-faire, etc.) made the Depression worse by his intervention, and so did FDR by refusing to let the prices fall, Obama is doing the same thing, which is making the crisis longer and harder.

    Though I am no libertarian Meltdown by Tom Woods is good for anyone serious about the Federal Reserve.

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #12 on: March 09, 2013, 05:02:42 AM »
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  • Selective.

    From 1993 to 2003 silver was 5 dollars per ounce.  So 26 dollars per hour was more like under 5 dollars per hour for that decade.

    http://silverprice.org/silver-price-history.html

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    Minimum wage was 5 silver quarters - 26 bucks!
    « Reply #13 on: March 09, 2013, 05:27:14 AM »
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  • Minimum wage was also tied to gold through the gold standard, not just to silver through the coinage.

    Gold was pegged at $35 an ounce in the early 60s.

    So employees were supposedly earning equivalent to an ounce of gold for 28 hours labor. (it wasn't possible to redeem directly, although it was certainly possible to buy gold from dealers at not much more)

    The the low for gold since 1975 was around $250 an ounce in the mid 90s

    Even at that very low point, if employees were paid in gold at rate of one ounce per 28 hours of labor, employees would have earned over 150% of the minimum wage at that time.