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Grieving parents hit with 200,000 in student loans
« on: July 29, 2014, 06:38:31 AM »
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  • Grieving parents hit with $200,000 in student loans
    By Blake Ellis
    July 28, 2014: 6:41 PM ET

    When his 27-year old daughter Lisa died suddenly of liver failure five years ago, Steve Mason was as devastated as any father would be.
    He and his wife Darnelle immediately took in Lisa's three children -- ages 4, 7 and 9 at the time -- even though they knew it would be a huge struggle to support them. Steve earns less than $75,000 per year as a pastor, while Darnelle earns even less as a director at the same church.
    Then the student loan bills started coming.
    Mason had co-signed on the $100,000 in private student loans that his daughter took out for nursing school, and the lenders wanted their money.
    Unable to keep up with the monthly payments on top of all of the other mounting expenses, the $100,000 balance ballooned into $200,000 as a result of late penalties and interest rates of as high as 12%.
    "It's just impossible on a pastor's salary raising three kids to pay $2,000 a month on loans," said Mason, who has been searching for a second job.
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    If these had been federal student loans, Mason could have had the loans discharged or at least received some sort of financial assistance. But since they are private loans, he has little to no recourse.
    He called each lender to explain his situation and beg for help, and while they sympathized with him, they told him they weren't required to do anything.
    And they're right: private lenders aren't bound by any federal requirements to help borrowers -- or co-signers -- facing financial hardship, even when it's a parent whose child has passed away, says Deanne Loonin, an attorney at the National Consumer Law Center. Any loan forgiveness is up to the discretion of an individual lender.
    Navient Corp., which manages several of Mason's loans, said it has reduced the balance and lowered interest rates and payments for Mason in the past, and provides relief to customers on a case-by-case basis.
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    Lisa Mason, left, with her mother, Darnelle, in 2007.
    "We extend our deepest sympathies to the Mason family on the loss of their daughter," the company said in a statement to CNNMoney. "We're reaching out to Mr. Mason to offer further assistance as appropriate."
    After being contacted by CNNMoney, Mason said Navient lowered his interest rate to 0% on three of four loans and reduced the total amount owed to $27,000 from nearly $35,000.
    American Education Services, which handles the bulk of Mason's other loans, said as a loan servicer it's in charge of collecting payments and doesn't make the rules about forgiveness. Mason would therefore need to contact the original lender, National Collegiate Trust, directly. He did this, and says the lender refused to provide him with any relief. NCT could not be reached for comment.
    Mason has considered declaring bankruptcy, but student loans are the only type of debt that generally can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
    "People with other debt from splurging -- they can discharge that," he said. "Student loans should really be the one type of debt they do discharge because it's done to further an education and career. But somehow getting [my daughter] an education has encuмbered me for the rest of my life."
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    Similar financial nightmares are haunting other grieving families.
    Angela Smith, a mother from Chesapeake, Va., filed a petition on Change.org several years ago asking private loan provider First Marblehead Corp. to forgive the $40,000 in student loans that her husband had co-signed for their son Donte, who was shot to death in 2008.
    "Shortly after Donte died, that's when the collection calls started. It was like a punch in the gut -- we didn't know what hit us," Smith wrote in the petition. "All of a sudden we not only had to deal with the police and attorneys investigating his murder, but we also had to deal with collectors constantly calling and reminding us of our son's death in the worst way."
    The petition received more than 150,000 signatures from sympathizers but no action from the lenders. First Marblehead didn't respond to a request for comment, and Smith says the loan was recently sold to another company.
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    At least four other petitions from families in this situation have been started on Change.org. There's been one success story so far, where the brother of a deceased borrower petitioned a bank to stop going after his grieving father for payments, and the loan was forgiven.
    Legislation aiming to help people in these situations, including recent bills that would allow student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy, have been introduced over the years but have yet to pass in Congress.
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    For now, the only option parents really have is to propose a payment plan with the lender or try to prove undue financial hardship to the courts in order to get the debts discharged in bankruptcy -- which is rarely approved, said Loonin. And for anyone not already in this terrible situation, be very wary of taking out private loans -- always try to get as much federal aid as possible first.
    As he approaches 60, Mason's dreams of retirement have been shattered. He's done the math, and he will have dependent children living under his roof until he is almost 70 years old. He hasn't taken a vacation with his wife since his daughter died, and doesn't realistically see that happening for many years to come.
    "We've pretty much gone through our retirement [funds] already -- we didn't have a lot saved to begin with and now any extra money goes to the kids, as it should, and then whatever we can pay on the loans, we do," said Mason. "At my stage of life, I should have a very different lifestyle than I do."
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    Grieving parents hit with 200,000 in student loans
    « Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 09:15:39 AM »
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  • This is just cruel. No compassion


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    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2014, 10:48:07 AM »
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  • Never co-sign for a loan that you are unable to repay in full.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 12:33:40 PM »
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  • He owes them the money.

    If I co-signed on a loan like that I would force the person taking out the loan to show that they also took out a life insurance policy for at least the amount of the loan and that they were making the payments. If for some reason the payments on the life insurance was not being paid then I would pay them myself.

    When you sign or co-sign a loan there is always a risk.

    One question the story omits is: Where is the baby daddy ?

    Did this lady just go out and have 3 kids out of wedlock. Also, I believe that these kids as orphans would be receiving social security checks through the govt in the order of at least 1200 a month (400 each child).

    This guy is making 75k a year plus his wife's income- with the social security they should have enough to pay 24k a year. The obvious conclusion is that he simply refused to pay trying to ignore his promise.

    I think they are dishonest, the lenders have their own children to feed too.

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    Grieving parents hit with 200,000 in student loans
    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2014, 12:40:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dolores
    Never co-sign for a loan that you are unable to repay in full.


    And the entire point of co-signing is that if, for whatever reason, the primary signer cannot meet the obligation, the debt is still paid.

    That is what it is for and that is what he agreed to.

    After taxes his own income should be around $4700 a month not including his wife's income.

    They can afford to pay and could have paid before the interest doubled what he owed.

    He simply did not want to pay.


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    Grieving parents hit with 200,000 in student loans
    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 06:33:10 PM »
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  • They key word here is PRIVATE. These are not loans through the school's financial aid office and backed by the feds. If it was a regular "student loan" they would be cancelled.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 30, 2014, 06:25:32 PM »
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  • This is a classic example of why no one should ever co-sign a loan for another person.  

    Did I read that right - 100K for nursing school??????  My niece, a single mom, went through nursing school for about 20K as I recall.  An RN is only a 2 year program!

    I do feel sorry for people who make such unwise financial decisions.  

    I do believe that under hardship the loan companies should only be collecting the principle.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 04:17:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar

    I do feel sorry for people who make such unwise financial decisions.  

    I do believe that under hardship the loan companies should only be collecting the principle.

    Marsha


    So, in other words...

    On principle, the loan companies should only collect the principal in hardship cases.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 04:34:59 PM »
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    I do believe that under hardship the loan companies should only be collecting the principle.



    All that does is spread the cost to the other borrowers.

    Plus a lot more people would suddenly be claiming hardship.

    A life insurance policy on a 20 something year old would have been cheap.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 09:54:50 PM »
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  • Except there is no hardship in this case.

    He has a 75000 a year job, his wife works, the kids should each be getting at least $400 a month (14400 a year) in social security. They may even be and they should be legally collecting child support if they know who the father(s) of the children are.

    He decided to ignore the 2000 a month payment and allow the debt to double. I think he just thought it was going to go away.

    If the daughter who died took out 100,000 dollars- one question would be how much she had actually spent and for what. Did she buy a car, put down on a house- was there 10,000 to 30,000 in the bank ?

    I don't believe that he:

    A) Could not afford the payment.
    B) Is broke.
    C) Fully honest.

    This story on the surface seems sad, but I don't think we have the entire story. Either way he agreed to pay decided to dead beat.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 03, 2014, 02:07:58 PM »
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  • I imagine the $100k would be over several years, maybe 2-3. Graduate programs (like nursing school, law school, masters' degree programs) are very expensive.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 03, 2014, 02:21:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    I imagine the $100k would be over several years, maybe 2-3. Graduate programs (like nursing school, law school, masters' degree programs) are very expensive.



    You are right in saying she may have paid a lot of money over several years.
    I am wondering though where the father of those kids are, what kind of car she owned, and if she had a mortgage on a home. Did she work ? Did they collect insurance after she died through her employer ? My employer as well as the majority give families a year of pay when an employee dies.

    When he assumed the debt and it was 100,000 dollars and he was making $75000 a year and his wife was working. The payments on the loans were within his means- he could have made the payments but chose not to thinking "life is unfair." The principle doubles and now they are probably going after his house.

    I don't feel sorry for him.


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