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Offline ark of covenant

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Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2025, 01:46:01 PM »
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    • Good to hear from you Tony. Just to let you know, I am doing OK back here in Ireland a little bit older and wiser I think. I am of course with the resistance, but surviving. It has been such a while since seminary left 2008. I am now in my fifties. Sure I entered seminary late in life at the age of 30.
    I hope you have continued with piano.
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #61 on: February 09, 2025, 04:23:15 AM »
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    • Thank you, Annraoi. I'm kept busy with multiple musical jobs, in addition to my main manufacturing job, to support my wife and children. We attend the SSPX chapel; we have a good priest and a good prior. However, I do support the Resistance. To my knowledge, there is no mission around our area.God bless you.
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #62 on: February 09, 2025, 08:32:57 AM »
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    • It has been very amusing to hear you guys talk about going in and out of "hell."  :cowboy:
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #63 on: February 09, 2025, 10:42:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 06, 2025, 07:12:33 PM
    :laugh1: ...

    So, I've actually never heard directly his condemnation of "Sound of Music".  If someone has audio/video, I'd love to hear it.  Boy this roiled Trads everywhere more than even his saying women shouldn't wear pants or go to university or hold down jobs.  In fact, he would have caused less turmoil, controversy, and "scandal" had he come out as a full-blown foaming-at-the-mouth dogmatic SV who held that it's mortal sin to attend una cuм Masses, became "Feeneyite", and moved in with the Dimond Brothers.  I imagine it was because he felt it was too sappy and emotional.  I see his perspective, since the treatment of her vocation (or lack thereof) was not handled very well, making it seem like various emotions tugging her in different directions.  But he should have appreciated your comment because he acknowledges that Beethoven is a Romantic and admits that he's his "guilty pleasure."


    I think he wrote about it in an Eleison Comments. Aside from the sappiness, I'm pretty sure he criticized the woman's undermining of the Baron's authority. I haven't watched the movie in years but I recall that she was encouraging the children to disobey their father
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #64 on: February 09, 2025, 11:27:55 AM »
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    • I found the most complete treatment in the link below.  It's actually quite good and spot on, IMO ... though perhaps he's taking a bit of dumb musical entertainment a little too seriously.  All these types of movies are meant to be "feel good" types.

    https://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/problem-with-sound-of-music.html

    I agree with all his points ... except that I don't think that this movie has influenced me or many other people a lick in terms of our attitudes toward real life.  I liken it to violent video games where you might go blowing away electronic people but it doesn't mean you'd ever hurt someone in real life.  I have trouble smashing a fly if I don't have to but have no problems with a video game blowing away a thousand bad guys ... since I can tell the difference between that and reality ... though I haven't played video games much in 40+ years.  But maybe done people can't ... don't know.  Perhaps he mentioned might be influenced by it ... whereas men are not.

    Girl do relish attention and making everything about "me" ... and being that Barbie prices who, though born a pauper, truly deserves and has a right a handsome prince that puts her on some pedestal to worship.

    It does also present her married state as almost superior, where her vibrant joy and vitality is simply incompatible with the constraints of the dour convent life.  That place is only for people that don't have her joy of life.
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #65 on: February 09, 2025, 09:20:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 09, 2025, 11:27:55 AM
    I found the most complete treatment in the link below.  It's actually quite good and spot on, IMO ... though perhaps he's taking a bit of dumb musical entertainment a little too seriously.  All these types of movies are meant to be "feel good" types.

    https://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/problem-with-sound-of-music.html

    I agree with all his points ... except that I don't think that this movie has influenced me or many other people a lick in terms of our attitudes toward real life.  I liken it to violent video games where you might go blowing away electronic people but it doesn't mean you'd ever hurt someone in real life.  I have trouble smashing a fly if I don't have to but have no problems with a video game blowing away a thousand bad guys ... since I can tell the difference between that and reality ... though I haven't played video games much in 40+ years.  But maybe done people can't ... don't know.  Perhaps he mentioned might be influenced by it ... whereas men are not.

    Girl do relish attention and making everything about "me" ... and being that Barbie prices who, though born a pauper, truly deserves and has a right a handsome prince that puts her on some pedestal to worship.

    It does also present her married state as almost superior, where her vibrant joy and vitality is simply incompatible with the constraints of the dour convent life.  That place is only for people that don't have her joy of life.
    :laugh2::laugh1: Influenced in real life by the Sound of Music because I’m female?  Really?  I saw the movie as a seven year old child, and I remember thinking that Maria should have gone back to the convent to remain. That’s that what I would have done. The Captain seemed to me to be untrustworthy, a goofy man, not at all like my father who was a real man. The Captain came home with the Duchess, a snobby possessive sort who wants to send the children away to boarding school, not for a good education, but to get rid of them. Next thing, he’s instantly in love with Maria who wants to be a nun?  Who’s to say he wouldn’t meet yet another woman and ditch Maria for her?  Okay, the movie was cutesy, had nice sing-a-longs for summer camp, but wasn’t remotely real!  At age seven, I didn’t know much about Hitler and nαzιs. What little I knew of him was that he was a short, mean looking man with a cheesy mustache who lost a war against the United States. The Sound of music was not unlike Cinderella or The Flying Nun, most definitely not real!  If a seven year old child knew the difference, why would a grown woman be so foolish as to aspire to a life like fictional movie characters? 
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #66 on: February 09, 2025, 09:45:16 PM »
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    • Because children are innocent, and adults quickly corrupt into worse than garbage.
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #67 on: February 10, 2025, 01:44:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on February 09, 2025, 09:45:16 PM
    Because children are innocent, and adults quickly corrupt into worse than garbage.
    At risk of sounding arrogant, I think pretty much the same now as I did at age seven. Maria should have stayed at the convent when she returned. The sisters and Mother Superior would have helped her through the heartbreak of having “lost” the man with whom she was infatuated. Then Christ Himself would have restored her joy by becoming her eternal, perfect Spouse. She would have been spared all difficulty with her Mother-in-Law!
    My Irish grandmother used to say, “Puppy love leads to a dog’s life.” Of course I didn’t understand that at age seven, but by my early teens, it made sense as I witnessed several classmates “fall in love” and two get pregnant. Needless to say, the end results were hardly bliss. I saw my cousins, one by one get married outside the Faith, and then a sister do the same. Many friends from high school, college, university, early adulthood made the same mistake, marrying unsuitable mates because they were “in love.” Or, in “L-U-V” as Bp. W. would say. One by one, they got divorced and their adult kids are messed up. Of a dozen adults, there is only one child, also grown now, having surgically changed her gender.
    I taught grades K-3 for nearly four decades, and for the most part, I preferred to spend time with my students rather than my fellow teachers.
    When I was very young, people told my mother I had an “old soul.” That remained the case until I hit about 40, since which time I’ve found myself accused of thinking like a child or of failing to mature. Bizarre, yes?
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #68 on: February 10, 2025, 08:55:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on February 10, 2025, 01:44:39 AM
    I think pretty much the same now as I did at age seven. 
    In a way, any good Catholic should. St Paul says something about being like little children.
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #69 on: February 10, 2025, 10:11:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on February 09, 2025, 09:20:02 PM
    :laugh2::laugh1: Influenced in real life by the Sound of Music because I’m female?  Really?  I saw the movie as a seven year old child, and I remember thinking that Maria should have gone back to the convent to remain. That’s that what I would have done. 

    I didn't say all were, but many/most are women are influenced by such things, as they are influenced by all the princess stories in which they obviously imagine themselves in the starring role ... leading to a sense of entitlement.  Your reaction that she should have returned to the convent is, let's just say, probably in the minority for women.  Even in my perspective, she was not a fit for convent ... though not because she was superior to it, as the movie implies, but not cut out for it in general, due to being too whimsical, lacking in seriousness or any faith that I could see during the movie.
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    Re: Ex-Seminarian stories
    « Reply #70 on: February 10, 2025, 07:04:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 10, 2025, 10:11:04 AM
    I didn't say all were, but many/most are women are influenced by such things, as they are influenced by all the princess stories in which they obviously imagine themselves in the starring role ... leading to a sense of entitlement.  Your reaction that she should have returned to the convent is, let's just say, probably in the minority for women.  Even in my perspective, she was not a fit for convent ... though not because she was superior to it, as the movie implies, but not cut out for it in general, due to being too whimsical, lacking in seriousness or any faith that I could see during the movie.
    Princesses in movies aren’t real, kind of like flying unicorns and fairies. I was never into playing princesses or such things. As for being in the minority, yes, I’d have to agree with you. It’s normal for me. I wasn’t your typical girl and now, not a typical woman. Oh well.
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